Don't like it? Leave
QuoteDon't like it? Leave~PSU about America
Icy is a little bitch, yeah.
Quote from: Mad Max on December 24, 2014, 12:23:18 PMQuoteDon't like it? Leave~PSU about Americayeah so
Moderating is subjective soo....
Quote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 12:16:42 PMIcy is a little bitch, yeah.I am no female dog.
Quote from: TBlocks on December 24, 2014, 12:28:15 PMModerating is subjective soo....It probably shouldn't be. You should all have this objective standard for rule-breaking that you all agree on. Leave no room for that subjective bullshit that just gets in the way.
Feels like waypoint
Quote from: PSU on December 24, 2014, 12:15:55 PMFeels like waypoint>doesn't sensor language>generally tells people not to fight before issuing warning>really only bans people for being twatsYeah, mods are dicks.
>doesn't sensor language>generally tells people not to fight before issuing warning>really only bans people for being twatsYeah, mods are dicks.
Quote from: Verbatim on December 24, 2014, 12:30:20 PMQuote from: TBlocks on December 24, 2014, 12:28:15 PMModerating is subjective soo....It probably shouldn't be. You should all have this objective standard for rule-breaking that you all agree on. Leave no room for that subjective bullshit that just gets in the way.Nice in theory - however when you get down to actual dealing with bullshit, not everything is black and white.
Quote from: Fagcicle on December 24, 2014, 12:34:06 PMQuote from: Verbatim on December 24, 2014, 12:30:20 PMQuote from: TBlocks on December 24, 2014, 12:28:15 PMModerating is subjective soo....It probably shouldn't be. You should all have this objective standard for rule-breaking that you all agree on. Leave no room for that subjective bullshit that just gets in the way.Nice in theory - however when you get down to actual dealing with bullshit, not everything is black and white.In saying that, it generally isn't good to rely too much on discretion.
We try not to. But as the rules say - every decision and penalty can be different, depending on the circumstances and such.
Quote from: Fagcicle on December 24, 2014, 12:35:57 PMWe try not to. But as the rules say - every decision and penalty can be different, depending on the circumstances and such.Of course I'm not saying circumstances aren't important, but I think a lack of communication between the moderators and the community leads people to think it's more disconnected and ad hoc than it actually is.
We can only communicate as much as possible.
If the horizon were the problems needed to be moderated on this forum, the moderators are aiming 45 degrees west of it.
Quote from: Fagcicle on December 24, 2014, 12:38:29 PMWe can only communicate as much as possible.It's obvious that there's currently a deficiency in communication.
We can only communicate as much as possible. An example was allowing everyone to see the "Warned" title to show that we actually gave out warnings frequently. Of course, then people used it as an accessory and just shitposted to get it.It became less of a punishment.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 24, 2014, 12:40:13 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 24, 2014, 12:38:29 PMWe can only communicate as much as possible.It's obvious that there's currently a deficiency in communication.I'm curious, what would you suggest in terms of communication?,
Obviously, we can't be banning people left right and centre otherwise we'd have no community left - but it's clear that something needs to be done. - Expand the moderation team - Improve the roles of monitors - Standardise the system - Better communication Of course, it's all about balance in approaching these issues. Expanding the moderation team runs the risk of upsetting the ratio of users to moderators, and could result in people seeing the moderation team as a ramshackle confederation as opposed to a tight, monolithic organisation of people willing to keep the community up-to-scratch. In saying that, it's not clear that we're understaffed either. I think the lack of communication between the users leads to a feeling of neglect and the illusion that we might not have the man-power, when in fact we just need a more streamlined system. However, replacing Sandtrap - as well as adding perhaps another new monitor - in conjunction with the next point wouldn't be a bad idea. The roles of monitors, also, need to be expanded. In truth - and I'm not sure how many people agree - the monitors are largely defunct and useless. They don't do anything, it's like the moderation team puts them there so it looks like people are around keeping an eye on shit. All they do, however, is dole out hesitant warnings and reluctant words of caution. Monitors need to be beefed up, and be put in a position of support to the moderators - acting as the bridge between them and the community. They need to be, in essence, the boots on the ground talking to the community and relaying the moderation team's information. They need to be dropping PMs to users who make reports and telling them that the ninjas are considering a proper course of action, and they'll be kept in the loop as to what's happening. Standardising the system could be tricky and I'm no programmer. The warning system based on percentages was a good start, but we need to be able to say "if you do this, we'll do this", and stick to it. We rely to much on the discretion of the ninjas which, while valuable in serious instances - like Camnator's fucking retarded reveal of Nuka's personal information - it becomes something of a joke when you have Challenger and Kinder hurling insults at each for pages on end. There's also a degree of bias, as much as I hate to say it, within the team. Kinder deserves the bans he gets when he steps over the line, but it's usually in response to something from Challenger which is clearly pissing him off. Is he right to be upset? I don't know. But we need ninjas (and monitors) in the threads either telling Kinder why he shouldn't be upset if Challenger actually hasn't done anything wrong, or explaining to him personally what the team is doing about Challenger's behaviour, which he is reporting. I'm also not calling them out, just using them as an example. I also think monitors should be able to edit/censor posts, as ninjas do.And, of course, better communication has been the central theme all through my proposals.
Discuss the Mods/Site Staff
