Would you not say it's just "the getting transgenders cures we have trouble with"

How do you think homeless people ended up that way, giving them a house or even money doesn't guarantee they'll be fine for the rest of their lives, perhaps they went through a divorce, maybe they turned to drinking and couldn't afford anything, giving them a house and money isn't going to change that, much less finding a way to pay for it

on top of that you'll want them to be satisfied with their life so that it doesn't happen again, and then you'll be dealing with all sorts of personal issues you'll also need to "fix"

what would you define as an "actual" cure in this case, what would be a meaningful result

as it stands, there have been some successes with HRT, im not saying all, but some have had good results, who told you this has stopped anyone looking for a better way to deal with this

if you are able to prevent some suicides, is it not better than having prevented none as the current best possible solution

I really can't believe you two are comparing modern day America to Nazi Germany and Jim Crow South

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Would you not say it's just "the getting transgenders cures we have trouble with"

How do you think homeless people ended up that way, giving them a house or even money doesn't guarantee they'll be fine for the rest of their lives, perhaps they went through a divorce, maybe they turned to drinking and couldn't afford anything, giving them a house and money isn't going to change that, much less finding a way to pay for it

on top of that you'll want them to be satisfied with their life so that it doesn't happen again, and then you'll be dealing with all sorts of personal issues you'll also need to "fix"

Well no doubt homelessness is a complex issue but the main problem is that they don't have homes
That's why they're called homeless
Fix the main problem and whatever else they have to deal with can come in stride

For transgenders to be likened to homeless people, we would have to know how to fix it
It's not as simple as "having trouble getting the cure for transgenderism" when we don't even know what the cure is
The "cure" we have right now is ineffective and stops the search for a better cure because it's considered the end all be all

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what would you define as an "actual" cure in this case, what would be a meaningful result

Lowering depression and suicide to that of a normal population
Also believing you are something you physically and biologically aren't is mental illness in of itself but if people want to willingly delude themselves, fine
I just want them to stop killing themselves

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as it stands, there have been some successes with HRT, im not saying all, but some have had good results, who told you this has stopped anyone looking for a better way to deal with this

if you are able to prevent some suicides, is it not better than having prevented none as the current best possible solution

Right
I never said we should stop HRT for the time being
If it allows some to live comfortably then I'm glad
But it's a short sighted solution because it's considered the final solution when actually it's really fixing very little

I'm not talking about specific disorders like schizophrenia, OCD, BPD etc.

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well for one thing there is no cure for any mental issues, ever

This isn't exactly true. There are many mental health issues that correlate with poor physical health ergo curing the physical ailment can eliminate the related mental ailment.

im not saying youre wrong but list some

Anxiety, depression, mood swings, irritability, lack of motivation. These are all mental issues that can be caused by a number of physical health conditions.

I'm not talking about specific disorders like schizophrenia, OCD, BPD etc.

but i am

"Mental Issues" is a very vague term.

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the best treatments we have against the most aggressive forms of cancer are rarely successful, and we know were looking into it because anyone can get it at anytime

Well actually we haven't cured cancer because treating it makes a hell of a lot more money.

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the best treatments we have against the most aggressive forms of cancer are rarely successful, and we know were looking into it because anyone can get it at anytime

Well actually we haven't cured cancer because treating it makes a hell of a lot more money.

It's true. Do you have any idea how big of an industry there is around "treating" cancer?

Once you cure a disease it's gone. That's a shit ton of money down the toilet.

big pharma is clearly in bed with mansanto. The gmos give you the cancer and then pharma can treat it

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big pharma is clearly in bed with mansanto. The gmos give you the cancer and then pharma can treat it

you're being sarcastic but are actually 100% right

Except there's 0 evidence of any of this and thousands and thousands of scientists have personally said "secondclass is stupid gmos are harmless"

I'm surprised you're so naive when it comes to this. Of course they're that greedy.