I knew you weren't a liberal, but when did you become so damn lovable?

When I became a conservative

I totally forgot about the last time I saw a militia guarding the Target bathrooms, waiting for any damn sick perverts trying to get in.  Their response time?  Top.  Notch.

A lot of things in our society is guarded by unseen barriers
Like how thieves don't enter your house not because a two inch door is blocking them
But because they don't want the police to come and shoot them down in the street

Same with bathrooms
Regardless of response time or anything of the sort, it protected by the full extent of the law

And nothing that I said refutes the idea that a physiological difference exists.  Just that it's an unimportant difference when it comes to trivial things that leave people no more or less vulnerable.

The existence of males and females is one of the most important difference in biology
Why it matters in our society is because we haven't transcended relationships and reproduction
So as long as we need babies, we need genders
And as long as we have genders, nature dictates anything involving genitals be separate which means bathrooms

How is this any different than if my roommate turned out to be gay?  Should a barrier be placed on him?  After all, he could be a gay rapist.  He could try to use the men's bathroom to rape smaller men.

Separate bathrooms don't exist to prevent rape
They exist to ensure privacy and comfort
And the only way to ensure that is when you are among members of your own gender

And we've seen how good forced-therapy goes for depressed kids with identity issues.

Who said anything about forcing transgenders to undergo treatment?
I'm sure transgenders aren't being forced to undergo transition today

Big shocker. The parents hide stuff about their kids and the school covers for them. Not like they've done that before at all.

Big shocker. The parents hide stuff about their kids and the school covers for them. Not like they've done that before at all.

You're right
It's disgraceful that schools hiding information from parents isn't shocking anymore

like people with ADHD or schizophrenia their brains are wired differently from the average person since both, CBT can help and it is a patient choice but at the end of the day the patient decides if they are happy with the treatment

maybe someone with ADHD might be prescribed adderall, but they can also choose not to, whoever does and whoever doesn't is happy with the level of treatment they're receiving can ask for what they think they need

turns out HRT is pretty effective at making patients with gender identity dysphoria feel happy about the treatment they're getting

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No but we can play later if you want

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wow that scumbag is probably just pretending to be a girl so he can rape and torture the rest of the campers

Rape has nothing to do with most transgender issues but sure that is a potential problem too

I'm making fun of your senseless fear

Except that's not the fear
It is a potential problem but not the main issue

The point is that transgender supporters are now willing to keep parents in the dark about what is happening with their own children
Regardless of what your opinion is on transgenders, the way that the issue is being pushed tramples over everyone's basic rights

it's the same thing as telling parents "your daughters are in the same room as a girl"

trans girls are the same thing as CIS ones

First off no they're absolutely not

Second, this is still a wildly dividing issue for America
You don't get to put anything into law until it is resolved because a large majority of Americans are still split on this problem
Forcing your agenda onto families who may still be uncomfortable is wrong

Agreed. The Feds never should have had a say in forcing us to end slavery and then segregation too.

Supreme court should also have never ruled on gay marriage.

Agreed. The Feds never should have had a say in forcing us to end slavery and then segregation too.

Except we literally fought a war over it and the winners were anti slavery people

Supreme court should also have never ruled on gay marriage.

Gay marriage is still an issue today
The federal government is forcing independent religious services to cater to gay people

The issue is that liberals who push these issues love to use the "it's moral therefore it's right" argument
I honestly don't care what the issue is, it could be something I support but if it is handled through bullying and intimidation, I won't stand for it 

Quote from: KawaiiKilla666 on October 28, 2016, 08:42:29 AM

people can already choose the CBT route

most of the patients who choose that says the feelings don't go away and they feel worse off

No one is going to willingly go to a doctor and ask to change the way they behave, especially when they believe that they are transgender
Very few CBT patients go on their own
They are usually persuaded by loved ones

Why go to someone to be told you are wrong when you have a treatment that says you are right?

Quote from: KawaiiKilla666 on October 28, 2016, 08:53:39 AM

like people with ADHD or schizophrenia their brains are wired differently from the average person since both, CBT can help and it is a patient choice but at the end of the day the patient decides if they are happy with the treatment

maybe someone with ADHD might be prescribed adderall, but they can also choose not to, whoever does and whoever doesn't is happy with the level of treatment they're receiving can ask for what they think they need

turns out HRT is pretty effective at making patients with gender identity dysphoria feel happy about the treatment they're getting

No shit if you tell a transgender person that they actually are the opposite gender that they will feel better
Except it's ineffective and is not a long term solution seeing how 45% of those who have HRT will still attempt suicide

Problem with how a people feels about a treatment is that it's subjective and not a good indication of whether the problem has been solved or not

well what other conclusions are they going to draw from studies that show these brains are developed identically to that of the opposite sex

discoveries in medicine seldom happen by looking for specifics, until someone finds something in some medicine that has side-effects which could alleviate their condition, then apply it to the situation, its not going to happen

even less likely to happen with psychological treatment

Transgenders are different because we don't know how to fix the issue

Grow a society that doesn't treat them as subhuman.

The fastest way to achieve this would be to kill everyone who thinks like you.

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Transgenders are different because we don't know how to fix the issue

Grow a society that doesn't treat them as subhuman.

The fastest way to achieve this would be to kill everyone who thinks like you.

We live in the most accepting society in history
Transgender people still have one of the highest suicide rates in history
One that not even slaves had
So you can't tell me that it's society's fault for this 

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 28, 2016, 08:38:04 PM

The suicide statistics are honestly a pretty flawed way of justifying anything in regards to hrt. Homeless people in shelters still drink themselves to death. Guess we should just stop helping the homeless...

Likening homeless people to transgenders is really idiotic

We know how to fix the homeless issue
Get them homes and they stop killing themselves
It's just getting them the homes we have trouble with

Transgenders are different because we don't know how to fix the issue
We think we do with transition but that doesn't yield a meaningful result
And transitioning just stops the look for an actual cure   

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But no really, you've got a marginalized minority group that ostracized from normal society and rarely truly accepted by large groups of people. No duh they're still going to off themselves, especially trans youth who risk homeless more than any other alternative lifestyle group.

Actually suicide rate is the perfect statistic to define transgenderism as a mental disease since it is insanely high
Not even African slaves had this high of a suicide rate and we know slavery and Jim Crow was the height of discrimination in America

Would you not say it's just "the getting transgenders cures we have trouble with"

How do you think homeless people ended up that way, giving them a house or even money doesn't guarantee they'll be fine for the rest of their lives, perhaps they went through a divorce, maybe they turned to drinking and couldn't afford anything, giving them a house and money isn't going to change that, much less finding a way to pay for it

on top of that you'll want them to be satisfied with their life so that it doesn't happen again, and then you'll be dealing with all sorts of personal issues you'll also need to "fix"

what would you define as an "actual" cure in this case, what would be a meaningful result

as it stands, there have been some successes with HRT, im not saying all, but some have had good results, who told you this has stopped anyone looking for a better way to deal with this

if you are able to prevent some suicides, is it not better than having prevented none as the current best possible solution

Quote from: KawaiiKilla666 on October 28, 2016, 11:57:16 PM

well what other conclusions are they going to draw from studies that show these brains are developed identically to that of the opposite sex

discoveries in medicine seldom happen by looking for specifics, until someone finds something in some medicine that has side-effects which could alleviate their condition, then apply it to the situation, its not going to happen

even less likely to happen with psychological treatment

First of all it's not identical
Tendency doesn't equal exactly the same
Also science can't identify between a male and female brain just looking at brain scans

Second this isn't just a medical issue
It's extremely politicized
Don't think for a second that the left will ever admit there is a better cure than transition

well for one thing there is no cure for any mental issues, ever

only treatments

a cure is what you use for a virus or an infection

Quote from: Verbatim on October 29, 2016, 12:16:24 AM

It's society's fault.

Create a society where you're not physically pressured to accept your gender, and no transpeople will commit suicide.
Create a society where you don't have to embrace your assigned gender, and no transpeople will commit suicide.

Why would they? Because if they do, it would be for extraneous unrelated reasons.

So you're saying society today is worse than slavery and Jim Crow?
Worse than Nazi Germany?

Because transgenders are killing themselves more today than Jews and African Americans during those times

those still weren't as small a group as transgenders, they had companionship, they at least knew there were others suffering with them

who exactly do transgender people turn to if they're afraid of even their own parents