Quote from: Batch on September 02, 2016, 08:47:07 AMYes the term in generally used in a practice of sorts, grammatically, scientifically, mathematicallyAre you saying biology isn't a practice?Are you seriously this du--Well, yes, you are, but sometimes I just find it really hard to believe. It's people like you that make me ponder whether I'm really living in some kind of deranged simulation or not, because GODDAMN, you just can't be fucking real.
Yes the term in generally used in a practice of sorts, grammatically, scientifically, mathematically
Veganism is pointless, anyway. Yeah, there is something good in the idea, but it's impossible to make billions of humans change and make any lasting impact. That's why I stopped. Why should I try when nobody else is going to bother?
Also I loathe people that use it as some kind of moral high ground in an attempt to feel superior to others.
Quote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 08:56:49 AMVeganism is pointless, anyway. Yeah, there is something good in the idea, but it's impossible to make billions of humans change and make any lasting impact. That's why I stopped. Why should I try when nobody else is going to bother?Yeah, when has a large group of people EVER made a change for the better in society?QuoteAlso I loathe people that use it as some kind of moral high ground in an attempt to feel superior to others.You only loathe it because we DO have the moral high ground.We ARE superior to you. And that makes you feel all bad and guilty inside.
Quote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 08:56:49 AMVeganism is pointless, anyway. Yeah, there is something good in the idea, but it's impossible to make billions of humans change and make any lasting impact. That's why I stopped. Why should I try when nobody else is going to bother?Yeah, when has a large group of people EVER made a change for the better in society?QuoteAlso I loathe people that use it as some kind of moral high ground in an attempt to feel superior to others.You only loathe it when people use it as a high ground, because we DO have the high ground.We ARE superior to you. And that makes you feel all bad and guilty inside.
Actually all that meat makes us feel warm and fuzzy, oh and healthy, and not anaemic.There's those positive health benefits too.
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Quote from: Batch on September 02, 2016, 09:02:40 AMActually all that meat makes us feel warm and fuzzy, oh and healthy, and not anaemic.There's those positive health benefits too.>caring about health>at allNot that veganism is unhealthy. It's actually 30,000x healthier than a meat-based diet, but you know, continue living in your cozy shell where you don't have to worry about ethical quandaries, because your fragile mind would shatter if you actually sat down to think about what you're doing.
Quote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 09:06:59 AMYouTubeI'm gonna have to come back to this later, but give me one reason why I should take this... random fucking person seriously.
>bulldoze forests to clear for crops>Vegan world suffocates from lack of oxygen, vegans would kill the world.
Quote from: Batch on September 02, 2016, 09:11:02 AM>bulldoze forests to clear for crops>Vegan world suffocates from lack of oxygen, vegans would kill the world.Sounds awesome. I wish this WOULD happen.It wouldn't, though, and you're just fucking crazy and desperate.
Quote from: Verbatim on September 02, 2016, 09:05:17 AMQuote from: Batch on September 02, 2016, 09:02:40 AMActually all that meat makes us feel warm and fuzzy, oh and healthy, and not anaemic.There's those positive health benefits too.>caring about health>at allNot that veganism is unhealthy. It's actually 30,000x healthier than a meat-based diet, but you know, continue living in your cozy shell where you don't have to worry about ethical quandaries, because your fragile mind would shatter if you actually sat down to think about what you're doing.Sure we have more vegans and more demand of vegetables, meaning higher demand in crops which undoubtedly take up much more space then cattle and the latter.>bulldoze forests to clear for crops>Vegan world suffocates from lack of oxygen, vegans would kill the world.Well you tried, but you haven't convinced me familio
just hopping in to point out that if the animal industry was abolished overnight there would be no need for an increase in vegan diet options, as the food they used to feed those confined animals would be more than enough to cover the difference in human food amounts.
Quote from: Eli on September 02, 2016, 10:10:20 AMjust hopping in to point out that if the animal industry was abolished overnight there would be no need for an increase in vegan diet options, as the food they used to feed those confined animals would be more than enough to cover the difference in human food amounts.That's not gonna solve our problems. The farming is diabolical for nature and many animals would still suffer plenty at our hands -- there's a mass extinction event occurring at this moment and animals that aren't even used in the industry are going extinct. Oh yeah, there's the problem of our ever increasing population too.
Quote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 10:16:36 AMQuote from: Eli on September 02, 2016, 10:10:20 AMjust hopping in to point out that if the animal industry was abolished overnight there would be no need for an increase in vegan diet options, as the food they used to feed those confined animals would be more than enough to cover the difference in human food amounts.That's not gonna solve our problems. The farming is diabolical for nature and many animals would still suffer plenty at our hands -- there's a mass extinction event occurring at this moment and animals that aren't even used in the industry are going extinct. Oh yeah, there's the problem of our ever increasing population too.doesn't mean we just sit around and do nothing about ithumanity's years left may be numbered but that doesn't mean we need to brutally harvest creatures on top of destroying our planet.
Quote from: Eli on September 02, 2016, 10:18:34 AMQuote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 10:16:36 AMQuote from: Eli on September 02, 2016, 10:10:20 AMjust hopping in to point out that if the animal industry was abolished overnight there would be no need for an increase in vegan diet options, as the food they used to feed those confined animals would be more than enough to cover the difference in human food amounts.That's not gonna solve our problems. The farming is diabolical for nature and many animals would still suffer plenty at our hands -- there's a mass extinction event occurring at this moment and animals that aren't even used in the industry are going extinct. Oh yeah, there's the problem of our ever increasing population too.doesn't mean we just sit around and do nothing about ithumanity's years left may be numbered but that doesn't mean we need to brutally harvest creatures on top of destroying our planet.Most of those creatures that we brutally harvest are doped up on drugs, and would destroy ecosystems (on top of not being able to survive) if released into the wild.
Most of those creatures that we brutally harvest are doped up on drugs, and would destroy ecosystems (on top of not being able to survive) if released into the wild.
If Batch wanted an easy way to win the vegetarian pet argument he should've mentioned a type of pet that actually is a carnivore, like a cat...
Quote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 10:19:43 AMQuote from: Eli on September 02, 2016, 10:18:34 AMQuote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 10:16:36 AMQuote from: Eli on September 02, 2016, 10:10:20 AMjust hopping in to point out that if the animal industry was abolished overnight there would be no need for an increase in vegan diet options, as the food they used to feed those confined animals would be more than enough to cover the difference in human food amounts.That's not gonna solve our problems. The farming is diabolical for nature and many animals would still suffer plenty at our hands -- there's a mass extinction event occurring at this moment and animals that aren't even used in the industry are going extinct. Oh yeah, there's the problem of our ever increasing population too.doesn't mean we just sit around and do nothing about ithumanity's years left may be numbered but that doesn't mean we need to brutally harvest creatures on top of destroying our planet.Most of those creatures that we brutally harvest are doped up on drugs, and would destroy ecosystems (on top of not being able to survive) if released into the wild.i don't want to release them into the wild, either. just stop impregnating them. and they're definitely not on any drugs considering dying animals are routinely denied pain-reducing drugs so that the meat can be harvested and sold
Just for the record, I am on your side. It saddens me to watch this beautiful world be destroyed -- I want to save Earth and have us all live a sustainable lifestyle. But it's just not possible, and we are screwed no matter what at this point.
Just out of curiosity, because I can't be assed to read the rest of the thread, how many vegans/vegetarians here would be fine with consuming meat in a non-industrialized society? That is, if meat products weren't mass produced, and we weren't wrecking the environment, would you eat a pork chop?
Wrong.A border collie named Bramble lived to be 27 years old--longer than any dog in recorded history--and was fed a vegan diet from birth.Get fucked.
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