He believes in free will Winy, there's literally no reason to argue with supernaturalists.
this thread in a nutshell
Quote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:43:56 PMAll of the things preceding that reaction were non-voluntary. The action, at its core, wasn't voluntary. But you said "yes" verbally. Sober, lucid.That is all that matters.
All of the things preceding that reaction were non-voluntary. The action, at its core, wasn't voluntary.
Quote from: eggsalad on October 24, 2015, 10:43:15 PMQuote from: Prime Megaten on October 24, 2015, 10:41:51 PMQuote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:36:10 PMWhy?Same reason that calling someone "stupid" versus "a fucking cunt who doesn't know their ass from their face and should off themself".People don't consent to surprise parties, they don't consent to someone initiating conversation with them, they don't consent to others thoughts of them, or even small touches. People touch each others shoulders and the like while talking all the time-- that doesn't mean the person being touched consented, but unless their reaction is so adverse as to flip out, it's a trite example.Petty consent is malleable, it's as severity increases that the need for consent becomes closer to 100%.You're using human values of sex and applying to dogs when to dogs it isn't necessarily held as important.That's because a human is involved in the process. You don't set the bar to the lowest standard here.
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 24, 2015, 10:41:51 PMQuote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:36:10 PMWhy?Same reason that calling someone "stupid" versus "a fucking cunt who doesn't know their ass from their face and should off themself".People don't consent to surprise parties, they don't consent to someone initiating conversation with them, they don't consent to others thoughts of them, or even small touches. People touch each others shoulders and the like while talking all the time-- that doesn't mean the person being touched consented, but unless their reaction is so adverse as to flip out, it's a trite example.Petty consent is malleable, it's as severity increases that the need for consent becomes closer to 100%.You're using human values of sex and applying to dogs when to dogs it isn't necessarily held as important.
Quote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:36:10 PMWhy?Same reason that calling someone "stupid" versus "a fucking cunt who doesn't know their ass from their face and should off themself".People don't consent to surprise parties, they don't consent to someone initiating conversation with them, they don't consent to others thoughts of them, or even small touches. People touch each others shoulders and the like while talking all the time-- that doesn't mean the person being touched consented, but unless their reaction is so adverse as to flip out, it's a trite example.Petty consent is malleable, it's as severity increases that the need for consent becomes closer to 100%.
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Quote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 24, 2015, 10:46:31 PMthis thread in a nutshell
Quote from: Verbatim on October 24, 2015, 10:45:00 PMQuote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:43:56 PMAll of the things preceding that reaction were non-voluntary. The action, at its core, wasn't voluntary. But you said "yes" verbally. Sober, lucid.That is all that matters.I'm shocked that you feel that way, to be honest, because I'm not sure how you separate the capacity for somebody's will from their non-voluntary behavior when you account for the fact that nothing we do, fundamentally, is voluntary. It's all reaction to stimuli, whether internally or externally.
Quote from: eggsalad on October 24, 2015, 10:44:05 PMHe believes in free will Winy, there's literally no reason to argue with supernaturalists....Except I'm a hard determinist.
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 24, 2015, 10:41:51 PMPetty consent is malleable, it's as severity increases that the need for consent becomes closer to 100%.How is this determined?
Petty consent is malleable, it's as severity increases that the need for consent becomes closer to 100%.
I liked Luci's explanation for my perspective on this the best. It was a much better way of phrasing things than I've been able to come up with.
Quote from: Luciana on October 24, 2015, 10:47:40 PMwww.omfgdogs.comhttp://tobydogs.corgiorgy.com/I'm so sorry
Quote from: Fruitcake on October 24, 2015, 07:27:52 PMcindy pleasei dont want people to think my forum is always like this;____;It is though.H3G is like, the most normal person in your user base. Think about that. A black guy is more of a normal human than most of you.
cindy pleasei dont want people to think my forum is always like this;____;
Quote from: Verbatim on October 24, 2015, 10:45:47 PMQuote from: eggsalad on October 24, 2015, 10:44:05 PMHe believes in free will Winy, there's literally no reason to argue with supernaturalists....Except I'm a hard determinist.fucking insane
Quote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:48:40 PMI liked Luci's explanation for my perspective on this the best. It was a much better way of phrasing things than I've been able to come up with.It... it was copy pasta...
Quote from: LC on October 24, 2015, 10:51:43 PMstopnukaokSpoiler
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Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 24, 2015, 07:44:52 PMQuote from: Fruitcake on October 24, 2015, 07:27:52 PMcindy pleasei dont want people to think my forum is always like this;____;It is though.H3G is like, the most normal person in your user base. Think about that. A black guy is more of a normal human than most of you.I decided to read from the first page and I read thisGoddammit Das
Quote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:47:23 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 24, 2015, 10:45:00 PMQuote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:43:56 PMAll of the things preceding that reaction were non-voluntary. The action, at its core, wasn't voluntary. But you said "yes" verbally. Sober, lucid.That is all that matters.I'm shocked that you feel that way, to be honest, because I'm not sure how you separate the capacity for somebody's will from their non-voluntary behavior when you account for the fact that nothing we do, fundamentally, is voluntary. It's all reaction to stimuli, whether internally or externally.The point is that it feels voluntary. We can sit down and contemplate our actions and determine for ourselves whether or not we should do them. What has this got to do with your right to fuck an animal because it's too stupid to realize that you shouldn't be having sex with it?
Quote from: Fruitcake on October 24, 2015, 07:47:11 PMQuote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 24, 2015, 07:44:52 PMQuote from: Fruitcake on October 24, 2015, 07:27:52 PMcindy pleasei dont want people to think my forum is always like this;____;It is though.H3G is like, the most normal person in your user base. Think about that. A black guy is more of a normal human than most of you.you shushmad cuz a nigger is more human than youI mean no offence to muh nigga H3G
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 24, 2015, 07:44:52 PMQuote from: Fruitcake on October 24, 2015, 07:27:52 PMcindy pleasei dont want people to think my forum is always like this;____;It is though.H3G is like, the most normal person in your user base. Think about that. A black guy is more of a normal human than most of you.you shush
Quote from: H3G on October 24, 2015, 10:52:59 PMQuote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 24, 2015, 07:44:52 PMQuote from: Fruitcake on October 24, 2015, 07:27:52 PMcindy pleasei dont want people to think my forum is always like this;____;It is though.H3G is like, the most normal person in your user base. Think about that. A black guy is more of a normal human than most of you.I decided to read from the first page and I read thisGoddammit Dasyo, we cool homie. Straight no disrespect.
We're also all forgetting the fact that sex is not a 100% safe act--even between two consenting adult humans.So even if you could successfully argue that having sex with an animal isn't "immoral"--you still have the problem that it'sFUCKING INSANELY STUPID
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