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Of courseThere is nothing special about an organic brain that cannot be replicated by a sufficiently advanced synthetic one.Emotions, Desires, Thoughts, Fears are all a result of internal and external 'programming', either in the form of your biology (genetics/hormonal levels) or your learning.If you make a program that can learn new things, you are already on par with most organic life. If you make a program that can rationalise a decision, you've surpassed all non-sentient life. If you make a robot that can do all that and have laser eyes, we have no need for meatbags anymore.
Is robot "life" just following algorithms or is there something inherently there?
How would we know that the robot actually feels things like love and pain and joy and isn't just secretly plotting a hostile takeover of the world behind a well maintained facade?
Quote from: IngloriousWho98 on May 26, 2016, 04:45:08 PMIs robot "life" just following algorithms or is there something inherently there? I mean, this is the same question I was answering. I'd say human minds are literally just following instructions, and that there's nothing particularly special about us other than the complexity of our brains. So I don't see why a sufficiently advanced robot, as far-fetched as that might be, couldn't be conscious in the same way.
Quote from: Winy on May 26, 2016, 04:48:37 PMQuote from: IngloriousWho98 on May 26, 2016, 04:45:08 PMIs robot "life" just following algorithms or is there something inherently there? I mean, this is the same question I was answering. I'd say human minds are literally just following instructions, and that there's nothing particularly special about us other than the complexity of our brains. So I don't see why a sufficiently advanced robot, as far-fetched as that might be, couldn't be conscious in the same way.What instructions are we following exactly because if you look at our evolutionary growth, we have not been sticking to one set of instructions
Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on May 26, 2016, 11:41:14 AMIf you make a program that can learn new things, you are already on par with most organic life. If you make a program that can rationalise a decision, you've surpassed all non-sentient life. If you make a robot that can do all that and have laser eyes, we have no need for meatbags anymore.So why, if it was even possible, do people want this to happen? Create a race of thinking, sentient machines with survival instinct, who can outperform humans physically and intellectually, and set them loose into the world? Might as well just blow up everything.
If you make a program that can learn new things, you are already on par with most organic life. If you make a program that can rationalise a decision, you've surpassed all non-sentient life. If you make a robot that can do all that and have laser eyes, we have no need for meatbags anymore.
How can "programming" account for hopes and dreams, aspiration, regret, motivation, and seemingly useless emotions and customs that we have
So where has culture and art come from
Why do we choose to choose to be monogamous instead of polygamous like our programming dictatesAnd why do we go against our programming to stay with our mate when we feel attraction to other people Why do we make such unproductive choices?Why do things that we know are bad for us and that we shouldn't do?
There is something inherent there
Quote from: SecondClass on May 26, 2016, 04:34:57 PMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on May 26, 2016, 11:41:14 AMIf you make a program that can learn new things, you are already on par with most organic life. If you make a program that can rationalise a decision, you've surpassed all non-sentient life. If you make a robot that can do all that and have laser eyes, we have no need for meatbags anymore.So why, if it was even possible, do people want this to happen? Create a race of thinking, sentient machines with survival instinct, who can outperform humans physically and intellectually, and set them loose into the world? Might as well just blow up everything.So that we can wipe out the disgusting plague of organic life and replace it with a nice pure race of machines.Humans exist solely to create the singularity of self-replicating synthetic life. After that we can either digitise to a higher plane of existence or we must die to make way for a better form of un-life.
Culture and societal norms.
Quote from: Winy on May 26, 2016, 04:56:38 PMCulture and societal norms.And these norms exist because we were programmed to reproduce and pass on our genetic material?
Quote from: IngloriousWho98 on May 26, 2016, 05:00:56 PMQuote from: Winy on May 26, 2016, 04:56:38 PMCulture and societal norms.And these norms exist because we were programmed to reproduce and pass on our genetic material?That's not really what I said. Those things develop because humans gathered and began interacting with each other in unique ways, in different locations, under different influences, facing different dangers, and overcoming different struggles. You can get wildly different cultures by jumbling the things humans have to deal with, as you can see with today's world.
No but you're saying this comes from our "programming"
Which implies that we were preloaded with ways to react to certain situationsSo how did these "struggles" change from surviving long enough to reproduce to worrying about turning in that assignment on time
Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on May 26, 2016, 04:54:23 PMQuote from: SecondClass on May 26, 2016, 04:34:57 PMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on May 26, 2016, 11:41:14 AMIf you make a program that can learn new things, you are already on par with most organic life. If you make a program that can rationalise a decision, you've surpassed all non-sentient life. If you make a robot that can do all that and have laser eyes, we have no need for meatbags anymore.So why, if it was even possible, do people want this to happen? Create a race of thinking, sentient machines with survival instinct, who can outperform humans physically and intellectually, and set them loose into the world? Might as well just blow up everything.So that we can wipe out the disgusting plague of organic life and replace it with a nice pure race of machines.Humans exist solely to create the singularity of self-replicating synthetic life. After that we can either digitise to a higher plane of existence or we must die to make way for a better form of un-life.If you're just talking about net value, then getting rid of humans via an atomic blast would be more beneficial then replacing them with an identical race that can suffer, feel pain, and all that. It would serve nothing.
Because I was born and put into the school system, then told that I needed to work hard and learn, otherwise my parents would yell at me, I wouldn't get a good job, and I'd be a loser when I grew up. All of those things are worries that strike at the core of how a human would naturally respond to negative stimuli, which is avoidance. So I worked hard, got into a good college, and will probably live a decently successful life as a result.
Why does society value things that go directly against our evolutionary instict
Quote from: IngloriousWho98 on May 26, 2016, 05:11:11 PMWhy does society value things that go directly against our evolutionary instictFirstly, I don't know what "Instinct" you're implying all of this stuff goes against. Second, even if it were to go against a ton of "Natural instinct," we no longer have to exclusively act on that instinct because we've developed a complex enough society and collective intelligence to realize that not everything in nature is ideal. We've come to understand we can improve on things through rationalization and logic, things that nature doesn't always cater to.
We've come to understand we can improve on things through rationalization and logic, things that nature doesn't always cater to.
Quote from: εRIGHT WING DAS SQUADε on May 26, 2016, 01:44:20 PMHow would we know that the robot actually feels things like love and pain and joy and isn't just secretly plotting a hostile takeover of the world behind a well maintained facade?tfw loli bot doesn't mean it when she says I love you
I'm implying our instincts as animals That is our "programming" is it not
This right hereYou take our ability to grow and change as something that's a given but that's exactly what separates us from robots
Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on May 26, 2016, 11:41:14 AMOf courseThere is nothing special about an organic brain that cannot be replicated by a sufficiently advanced synthetic one.Emotions, Desires, Thoughts, Fears are all a result of internal and external 'programming', either in the form of your biology (genetics/hormonal levels) or your learning.If you make a program that can learn new things, you are already on par with most organic life. If you make a program that can rationalise a decision, you've surpassed all non-sentient life. If you make a robot that can do all that and have laser eyes, we have no need for meatbags anymore.I disagreeHow can "programming" account for hopes and dreams, aspiration, regret, motivation, and seemingly useless emotions and customs that we have We have grown from cave dwelling creatures to civilized humansAnd if you say we are just beings with programs too, evolution dictates that we are here to eat and fuckSo where has culture and art come fromWhy do we choose to choose to be monogamous instead of polygamous like our programming dictates And why do we go against our programming to stay with our mate when we feel attraction to other people Why do we make such unproductive choices?Why do things that we know are bad for us and that we shouldn't do?There is something inherent there
No it isn't, robots can grow and change to adapt to a situation.
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Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on May 26, 2016, 05:54:40 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/p/BF1C8eEkJjF/>instagram memes
Unwarranted assumption
And the robots that can "adapt" to situations only adapt to situations because we gave them the information for that situation There's no growth They're just regurgitating what was put into them
Quote from: IngloriousWho98 on May 26, 2016, 05:58:54 PMUnwarranted assumptionThis is not an assumption at all.
Sounds like DNA to me.
Quote from: SecondClass on May 26, 2016, 04:59:12 PMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on May 26, 2016, 04:54:23 PMQuote from: SecondClass on May 26, 2016, 04:34:57 PMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on May 26, 2016, 11:41:14 AMIf you make a program that can learn new things, you are already on par with most organic life. If you make a program that can rationalise a decision, you've surpassed all non-sentient life. If you make a robot that can do all that and have laser eyes, we have no need for meatbags anymore.So why, if it was even possible, do people want this to happen? Create a race of thinking, sentient machines with survival instinct, who can outperform humans physically and intellectually, and set them loose into the world? Might as well just blow up everything.So that we can wipe out the disgusting plague of organic life and replace it with a nice pure race of machines.Humans exist solely to create the singularity of self-replicating synthetic life. After that we can either digitise to a higher plane of existence or we must die to make way for a better form of un-life.If you're just talking about net value, then getting rid of humans via an atomic blast would be more beneficial then replacing them with an identical race that can suffer, feel pain, and all that. It would serve nothing.Life will always find a way, if we wipe ourselves out it simply resets the evolutionary timer.We are a stage of evolution, here to ensure the progression to the next life-form. If we just get all edgelord and wipe ourselves out, that's a few million years of evolutionary time wasted.Human life is pointless enough as it is, without further frittering it away on teenage angst.
Maybe we'll find something that is inherent to us
Which I guess proves our humanity even more
We can't do much to stop the self perpetuating cycle, but that doesn't mean we have to contribute to it.
This is an extremely large assumption. There is nothing that suggests that humans (Or any life) and the way we function is anything but fundamental forces and particles interacting with each other in specific ways to produce our minds. There's no reason to think there's some unknown force at play. I already talked about this whole thing with Verb earlier in the thread, so I won't write it out again.
Like I said, you're making the concept of consciousness more fanciful than it probably is.
I think the fact that we would question our very own creator is pretty amazing
Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on May 26, 2016, 05:10:17 PMQuote from: SecondClass on May 26, 2016, 04:59:12 PMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on May 26, 2016, 04:54:23 PMQuote from: SecondClass on May 26, 2016, 04:34:57 PMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on May 26, 2016, 11:41:14 AMIf you make a program that can learn new things, you are already on par with most organic life. If you make a program that can rationalise a decision, you've surpassed all non-sentient life. If you make a robot that can do all that and have laser eyes, we have no need for meatbags anymore.So why, if it was even possible, do people want this to happen? Create a race of thinking, sentient machines with survival instinct, who can outperform humans physically and intellectually, and set them loose into the world? Might as well just blow up everything.So that we can wipe out the disgusting plague of organic life and replace it with a nice pure race of machines.Humans exist solely to create the singularity of self-replicating synthetic life. After that we can either digitise to a higher plane of existence or we must die to make way for a better form of un-life.If you're just talking about net value, then getting rid of humans via an atomic blast would be more beneficial then replacing them with an identical race that can suffer, feel pain, and all that. It would serve nothing.Life will always find a way, if we wipe ourselves out it simply resets the evolutionary timer.We are a stage of evolution, here to ensure the progression to the next life-form. If we just get all edgelord and wipe ourselves out, that's a few million years of evolutionary time wasted.Human life is pointless enough as it is, without further frittering it away on teenage angst.Just write off everything I said as "lol so edgy", nice. The truth is that life, especially intelligent life, is inherently bad. We can't do much to stop the self perpetuating cycle, but that doesn't mean we have to contribute to it.
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