Building a PC am I cool now

Solonoid · December 20, 2020, 04:21:19 AM

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wfxbRT

I bought everything but the gpu (no stock) and the aio, I figure the stock cooler will do good until I can put it through its paces anyway.

First Load Arrived

Does anybody have ideas about the cooling configuration? The 3060Ti exhausts at the rear through the io plate and also blows air up toward the cpu block, so I'm wondering where to install the radiator and about the directionality of the front and top fans. Obviously, the rear fan is going to have to exhaust since there's already going to be hot air out there. I'm wondering if pulling cool air through the radiator at the upper two fans of the front intake, with the bottom front fan blowing in cool air, and the two fans at the ceiling of the case exhausting is gonna be the way to go. Or maybe a more traditional configuration with the radiator at the top could work somehow?

Like, a configuration with cool air coming in at the front and warm air coming in through the radiator at the ceiling and all of the air gets exhausted through the rear?

It's kinda a head scratcher.

Initially I was planning to exhaust through the front and intake air at the rear and top, but with the gpu blowing hot air back there it just doesn't seem to be the way to go.

Flee_ · December 20, 2020, 07:24:01 AM

Are you sure that 10400 comes with a stock cooler? Intel doesn't usually include one with CPU's in that price class, as far as I know.

I don't think you should worry too much with those components. You have a non-K CPU that you won't use to overclock and your power consumption with those specs will be pretty low, so I doubt that temps or airflow are going to be a huge issue (especially given that you're going with liquid cooling). Mounting the radiator front / top each has its own benefits. People say that front makes for a (slightly) cooler CPU and (slightly) hotter GPU, and that top does the opposite, but it really just depends on your specific case / cable management / components and hardly matters.

I'd definitely advise against exhausting through the front though. That's a pretty unusual setup that doesn't really offer any benefits and often isn't even really intended by case manufacturers. I would just go with front intake, rear exhaust, mount radiator at the top and then see which direction you prefer there. You can either have the radiator exhaust through the top or pull air in from the top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYli6itP38

Solonoid · December 21, 2020, 02:02:07 AM

Quote from: Flee_ on December 20, 2020, 07:24:01 AM

Are you sure that 10400 comes with a stock cooler? Intel doesn't usually include one with CPU's in that price class, as far as I know.

I don't think you should worry too much with those components. You have a non-K CPU that you won't use to overclock and your power consumption with those specs will be pretty low, so I doubt that temps or airflow are going to be a huge issue (especially given that you're going with liquid cooling). Mounting the radiator front / top each has its own benefits. People say that front makes for a (slightly) cooler CPU and (slightly) hotter GPU, and that top does the opposite, but it really just depends on your specific case / cable management / components and hardly matters.

I'd definitely advise against exhausting through the front though. That's a pretty unusual setup that doesn't really offer any benefits and often isn't even really intended by case manufacturers. I would just go with front intake, rear exhaust, mount radiator at the top and then see which direction you prefer there. You can either have the radiator exhaust through the top or pull air in from the top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYli6itP38

Yeah, the Intel stock coolers are pretty anemic little things with one fan blowing directly down onto a circular heatsink with fins pointing in every direction. I already have it and there is a stock cooler, but I won't really trust it once there's a gpu blowing hot air onto it. My bf uses the stock cooler with his 8700, but his 980Ti isn't a blower so he really doesn't have to worry about it.

I got the 10400 as a holdover and am really just trying to think long term. I might have it for six to nine months but at some point I'm looking to get something beefier in the LGA 1200 socket, for the time being though, I couldn't see an upside to spending more on a cpu today.

It's good to know that there really is no magic solution to make sure everything is getting cool air though, I guess I'll just have to decide where I want the heat.

Ingy · December 21, 2020, 02:19:25 AM

Intel? In 2O2O?
It's alright but you definitely don't need that much cooling on an i5 that you can't overclock anyways
Hell you don't need water cooling at all
Just go air cooler, water cooling is a fad

Testing from various tech youtubers say the new GPU cooler design doesn't really fuck with the CPU at all so I wouldn't worry about it

Other than that, everything else looks good

Ingy · December 21, 2020, 02:20:34 AM

Oh except for power supply
Seems a bit low

Flee_ · December 22, 2020, 07:34:35 AM

Quote from: Solonoid on December 21, 2020, 02:02:07 AM

It's good to know that there really is no magic solution to make sure everything is getting cool air though, I guess I'll just have to decide where I want the heat.

Yeah, there's really no perfect setup. As long as you don't do things like exhausting hot air through the bottom or setting up your fans so that they push against each other, you'll be fine. It's not as if you're running an overclocked 9900k and 3090 that will run really hot and need optimal airflow to stay cool.

But if you're that concerned with it, you can always just test it for yourself. Mount the radiator one way, install HW Monitor, run a game for 2 hours, take note of the min/max/average temps in your components. Shut everything off, let it cool down overnight, mount it the other way, and repeat the same test. Shouldn't take more than a few minutes to remount the radiator, so you can easily compare the results and see if one solution gets better results.

Also, I agree with Inglorious on the liquid cooling. It's a lot of hassle for negligible gains. You're running a mid-tier i5 that can't overclock. Watercooling is completely unnecessary in your case and only really matters if you're trying to push high-end components to the limit. Unless you're dead set on having an AIO, I would just replace it with a solid air cooler and save yourself some money while you're at it. Won't make a difference performance-wise.

Flee_ · December 22, 2020, 12:15:24 PM

Quote from: Coomer on December 21, 2020, 02:19:25 AM

Intel? In 2O2O?

I'm looking at a 3900x myself right now, but stock is low everywhere.

Ingy · December 22, 2020, 03:17:34 PM

Quote from: Flee_ on December 22, 2020, 12:15:24 PM

Quote from: Coomer on December 21, 2020, 02:19:25 AM
Intel? In 2O2O?
I'm looking at a 3900x myself right now, but stock is low everywhere.

Don't worry
According to the techtubers with like half the world's stock, supply will normalize

Flee_ · December 22, 2020, 03:55:06 PM

Quote from: Coomer on December 22, 2020, 03:17:34 PM

Quote from: Flee_ on December 22, 2020, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: Coomer on December 21, 2020, 02:19:25 AM
Intel? In 2O2O?
I'm looking at a 3900x myself right now, but stock is low everywhere.

Don't worry
According to the techtubers with like half the world's stock, supply will normalize

I'm sure it will, but I'd like to buy it before the end of the year for tax purposes lol

Ingy · December 22, 2020, 11:47:32 PM

Quote from: Flee_ on December 22, 2020, 03:55:06 PM

Quote from: Coomer on December 22, 2020, 03:17:34 PM
Quote from: Flee_ on December 22, 2020, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: Coomer on December 21, 2020, 02:19:25 AM
Intel? In 2O2O?
I'm looking at a 3900x myself right now, but stock is low everywhere.

Don't worry
According to the techtubers with like half the world's stock, supply will normalize
I'm sure it will, but I'd like to buy it before the end of the year for tax purposes lol

Tax write off?
Playing Cyberpunk on ultra a part of your job?

Dietrich Six · December 23, 2020, 08:06:47 AM

Quote from: Coomer on December 22, 2020, 11:47:32 PM

Quote from: Flee_ on December 22, 2020, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: Coomer on December 22, 2020, 03:17:34 PM
Quote from: Flee_ on December 22, 2020, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: Coomer on December 21, 2020, 02:19:25 AM
Intel? In 2O2O?
I'm looking at a 3900x myself right now, but stock is low everywhere.

Don't worry
According to the techtubers with like half the world's stock, supply will normalize
I'm sure it will, but I'd like to buy it before the end of the year for tax purposes lol

Tax write off?
Playing Cyberpunk on ultra a part of your job?

Part of his plan

maverick · December 23, 2020, 09:43:33 AM

was getting caught part of your plan

Flee_ · December 23, 2020, 10:24:25 AM

Quote from: Coomer on December 22, 2020, 11:47:32 PM

Quote from: Flee_ on December 22, 2020, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: Coomer on December 22, 2020, 03:17:34 PM
Quote from: Flee_ on December 22, 2020, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: Coomer on December 21, 2020, 02:19:25 AM
Intel? In 2O2O?
I'm looking at a 3900x myself right now, but stock is low everywhere.

Don't worry
According to the techtubers with like half the world's stock, supply will normalize
I'm sure it will, but I'd like to buy it before the end of the year for tax purposes lol

Tax write off?
Playing Cyberpunk on ultra a part of your job?

Pretty much. I already mentioned it in my thread about microphones (advice still welcome, if you have any). I founded a Ltd. company last year for my esports / streaming work. Got a good amount of revenue but hardly any costs in 2020. Incurring some expenses now and writing them off would be good for taxes. The main problem is that so much is out of stock. I was looking at an 5900x, RTX 3080, PS5 and so on, but they're pretty much impossible to get these days.

nͫiͤcͫeͤ · December 23, 2020, 02:43:31 PM

Quote from: Flee_ on December 23, 2020, 10:24:25 AM

Quote from: Coomer on December 22, 2020, 11:47:32 PM
Quote from: Flee_ on December 22, 2020, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: Coomer on December 22, 2020, 03:17:34 PM
Quote from: Flee_ on December 22, 2020, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: Coomer on December 21, 2020, 02:19:25 AM
Intel? In 2O2O?
I'm looking at a 3900x myself right now, but stock is low everywhere.

Don't worry
According to the techtubers with like half the world's stock, supply will normalize
I'm sure it will, but I'd like to buy it before the end of the year for tax purposes lol

Tax write off?
Playing Cyberpunk on ultra a part of your job?
Pretty much. I already mentioned it in my thread about microphones (advice still welcome, if you have any). I founded a Ltd. company last year for my esports / streaming work. Got a good amount of revenue but hardly any costs in 2020. Incurring some expenses now and writing them off would be good for taxes. The main problem is that so much is out of stock. I was looking at an 5900x, RTX 3080, PS5 and so on, but they're pretty much impossible to get these days.

get a bot, write a bot, or hop into a discord running off bots

buying hot things on the internet is not for humans; stick to in store purchasing if you can

Flee_ · December 23, 2020, 03:32:17 PM

Quote from: nͫiͤcͫeͤ on December 23, 2020, 02:43:31 PM

buying hot things on the internet is not for humans; stick to in store purchasing if you can

I'll probably just wait until they're back in stock. I never actually tried ordering any of them before they were already sold out, unfortunately. But yeah, it's definitely a bot's game these days.

Solonoid · December 25, 2020, 02:12:00 AM

UPS is fucking around with my ram and psu.

they're saying Newegg didn't put down my unit number and asking me to update the address, and also telling me I'm not allowed to update the address or pick the package up at a UPS store

at the same time, they're telling me that they already updated the address and yesterday said it would be delivered by the end of the day, and online it still says I simultaneously need to/cannot update the address, and it wasn't delivered

Thanks internet

Solonoid · December 25, 2020, 02:16:00 AM

pretty sure the unit number didn't make it on the slip because of an error with Google pay, or something like that, although it wasn't a problem with B&H

Ingy · December 25, 2020, 01:01:51 PM

Quote from: Solonoid on December 25, 2020, 02:12:00 AM

UPS is fucking around with my ram and psu.

they're saying Newegg didn't put down my unit number and asking me to update the address, and also telling me I'm not allowed to update the address or pick the package up at a UPS store

at the same time, they're telling me that they already updated the address and yesterday said it would be delivered by the end of the day, and online it still says I simultaneously need to/cannot update the address, and it wasn't delivered

Thanks internet

Yeah a lot of my packages got fucked up or delayed too
Just hazards of ordering around this time especially with covid

Flee_ · December 27, 2020, 10:43:08 AM

Quote from: Coomer on December 22, 2020, 03:17:34 PM

Quote from: Flee_ on December 22, 2020, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: Coomer on December 21, 2020, 02:19:25 AM
Intel? In 2O2O?
I'm looking at a 3900x myself right now, but stock is low everywhere.

Don't worry
According to the techtubers with like half the world's stock, supply will normalize

Ordered a 3900x and RTX 3080 just now. Fingers crossed I don't have to wait too long, but I'm sure it'll be a few weeks.

Solonoid · January 06, 2021, 11:27:38 PM

I've got everything but a 3060Ti or 3070

both are in my price range and I'd be happy with either, but I've got my fingers crossed that the 3070 comes available first

Spoiler

The aio went on sale for $64 and I bought it, since a decent air cooler isn't much cheaper. If it does become more expensive by the time I get around to upgrading the processor, probably next summer, I'll feel vindicated.

Ingy · January 07, 2021, 01:03:32 AM

Quote from: Solonoid on January 06, 2021, 11:27:38 PM

I've got everything but a 3060Ti or 3070

both are in my price range and I'd be happy with either, but I've got my fingers crossed that the 3070 comes available first
Spoiler
The aio went on sale for $64 and I bought it, since a decent air cooler isn't much cheaper. If it does become more expensive by the time I get around to upgrading the processor, probably next summer, I'll feel vindicated.

Looks good

Solonoid · January 29, 2021, 12:18:51 AM

bro holy fuck my friend's brother sold me a 1070 for $175 it's pretty sick, and I found out that by downloading my monitor's On Screen Control I could enable gsync

Jono · January 29, 2021, 04:01:31 PM

Build your PCs

My friend bought a $2000 PC pre built and it only lasted 2 weeks before the GPU went out

Solonoid · January 29, 2021, 11:59:07 PM

Quote from: Jono on January 29, 2021, 04:01:31 PM

Build your PCs

My friend bought a $2000 PC pre built and it only lasted 2 weeks before the GPU went out

bruh what's the point of buying anything other than a laptop unless you know how to build

SIs will always upsell the wrong components or charge you for the word gaming, and sell you a warranty

imagine buying a warranty instead of just getting a warranty for free on every single part for free

just to buy the right machine for the right price, you still already have to know what you want, and at that point, putting it together isn't that much more of a stretch

Ingy · January 30, 2021, 02:23:23 AM

Devil's advocate but prebuilts at least come with warranties and support in a finished package

Your friend's GPU went out but that was probably covered by whoever built the PC. My PC is still has some driver issues a year on so I can see how it'd be nice to just have the builder take responsibility instead of having to worry about it yourself. Also building a PC takes a while to gain all the knowledge of necessary components and how to put them together and not everyone has the time or want to do that

MarKhan · January 30, 2021, 02:02:27 PM

What are prices for computer parts nowadays?

Ingy · January 30, 2021, 02:15:04 PM

Quote from: MarKhan on January 30, 2021, 02:02:27 PM

What are prices for computer parts nowadays?

Good luck getting a GPU
They're all out of stock and any you can find is like 3x MSRP
Everyone in quarantine wants to play VR porn games

MarKhan · January 30, 2021, 03:45:51 PM

Quote from: Coomer on January 30, 2021, 02:15:04 PM

Quote from: MarKhan on January 30, 2021, 02:02:27 PM
What are prices for computer parts nowadays?

Good luck getting a GPU
They're all out of stock and any you can find is like 3x MSRP
Everyone in quarantine wants to play VR porn games

I'm fine with running games from past decade at 60 FPS on lowest graphical setting, thanks.

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · January 30, 2021, 04:48:11 PM

Glad I built mine when I did. Literally a month later, it was scalp-central everywhere and its only getting worse now.

What I don't understand is the demand for next-gen consoles. There's like a whole two games for them at this time. Why not wait for another six months? Ebay is full of listings going three or four times the MSRP - which means that someone is willing to pay that much to play spiderman?

MarKhan · January 30, 2021, 05:09:10 PM

Quote from: FatherlyNick 🇷🇺 on January 30, 2021, 04:48:11 PM

Glad I built mine when I did. Literally a month later, it was scalp-central everywhere and its only getting worse now.

What I don't understand is the demand for next-gen consoles. There's like a whole two games for them at this time. Why not wait for another six months? Ebay is full of listings going three or four times the MSRP - which means that someone is willing to pay that much to play spiderman?

What demand, lol? All I heard is that nobody buys it here in Asia, because PC exists.