Being straight-edge is cool as fuck

Ingy · December 10, 2015, 11:10:19 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 10, 2015, 11:04:21 AM

Because then there will be no one left to suffer.

That's not a personal gain--that's a gain for all of humanity.

So by that logic, it's ok for me to go on a farm right now and kill a cow to end its suffering

You say all this shit about how you have no right to inflict pain and suffering to other animals so why do you have the right to make that choice for all of humanity?

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Because you can substitute it with plant-based foods. The only reason you wouldn't be a vegan--the ONLY reason--is because you simply think meat tastes better. That's it.

That's not a good enough reason. You don't get to kill sentient organisms because you think they taste good.
Sorry, that's evil.

Bears are omnivores
Should they switch to pure soy now?

challengerX · December 10, 2015, 11:27:22 AM

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Jim · December 10, 2015, 11:35:33 AM

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Korra · December 10, 2015, 12:00:31 PM

Good job faggits, this went from a funny thread to another lets pile on Verb-Chan for the 50th time because he believes in shit we don't like.

Verbatim · December 10, 2015, 12:02:25 PM

Quote from: Caped Baldy on December 10, 2015, 11:06:58 AM

What was that shit you told me about not getting one until you're 21?

You're thinking of somebody else. If I actually said that, I was clearly just bullshitting.

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Cool, more meat for me.

Totally not a cunt.

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I take it not wandering into traffic is an achievement as well?

Sure, why not? Everything you do that's good and doesn't lead to harm for you or anybody else is an achievement. There are small achievements and there are large achievements. I don't see the problem.

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Everybody I know on campus has a job, or has had a job. They're not hard to find, and they're not hard to get.

Except they kind of are. You got lucky.

Verbatim · December 10, 2015, 12:06:43 PM

Quote from: IngloriousWho98 on December 10, 2015, 11:10:19 AM

So by that logic, it's ok for me to go on a farm right now and kill a cow to end its suffering

They already do that.

I was thinking more along the lines of finding a wounded deer on the side of the road and giving it a bullet, just to end its suffering. At that point, you could even justify eating it, so his body isn't totally wasted.

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You say all this shit about how you have no right to inflict pain and suffering to other animals so why do you have the right to make that choice for all of humanity?

Do you agree that all suffering should be prevented, if only we could do it?

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Bears are omnivores
Should they switch to pure soy now?

You can't compare humans with bears. Humans have the ability to reason out their decisions and determine certain acts as either moral or immoral, based on the amount of suffering it imposes.

Bears can't.

Verbatim · December 10, 2015, 12:15:33 PM

Quote from: Korra on December 10, 2015, 12:00:31 PM

Good job faggits, this went from a funny thread to another lets pile on Verb-Chan for the 50th time because he believes in shit we don't like.

to be fair, i kinda provoked this one

i'm having a bad finals week

Korra · December 10, 2015, 12:29:18 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 10, 2015, 12:15:33 PM

Quote from: Korra on December 10, 2015, 12:00:31 PM
Good job faggits, this went from a funny thread to another lets pile on Verb-Chan for the 50th time because he believes in shit we don't like.
to be fair, i kinda provoked this one

i'm having a bad finals week

total cUNT

Girl of Mystery · December 10, 2015, 01:00:46 PM

Quote from: Jolly Rocket on December 10, 2015, 01:25:33 AM

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The single greatest benefit of being straight-edge is that paremts fucking love you.

"Oh, you don't drink, smoke or party? You're a good influence on our daughter."
too true
Except you'll never get to hear them say that, because girls don't want to be with boring people

Because drinking, smoking and doing drugs is the only way to not be a boring person, right?

Idiot.

challengerX · December 10, 2015, 01:11:47 PM

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Ingy · December 10, 2015, 01:21:18 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 10, 2015, 12:06:43 PM

Do you agree that all suffering should be prevented, if only we could do it?

Not the way you intend to
We don't have the right to make that decision for them

You of all people must understand this seeing how you say we don't have the right to kill animals

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You can't compare humans with bears. Humans have the ability to reason out their decisions and determine certain acts as either moral or immoral, based on the amount of suffering it imposes.

Bears can't.

And where does this moral reasoning that tells you to stop basic survival function come from?

Tyger · December 10, 2015, 01:35:30 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 09, 2015, 10:36:00 PM

I can just tell people that I'm straight-edge

and people will instantly get pissed off

how cool is that

but you're like literally the easiest person to piss off

Tyger · December 10, 2015, 01:40:41 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 09, 2015, 11:35:08 PM

Quote from: Eli on December 09, 2015, 11:24:11 PM
The single greatest benefit of being straight-edge is that paremts fucking love you.

"Oh, you don't drink, smoke or party? You're a good influence on our daughter."
too true

but doesn't this only matter if the girl is actually your girlfriend...

Verbatim · December 10, 2015, 01:44:13 PM

Quote from: Tyger on December 10, 2015, 01:40:41 PM

but doesn't this only matter if the girl is actually your girlfriend...

not necessarily

a good parent is going to be concerned with who your friends are, as well

Mr. Psychologist · December 10, 2015, 01:44:23 PM

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Quote from: Dietrich Six on December 10, 2015, 11:04:11 AM
Vegans save 200 animals every year just by being vegan.

Wrong as usual verb, those animals still died even if you didn't eat them.
Which, while unfortunate, it won't have been by our hand.

One thing that I don't quite get over this whole point, is that people seem to make the assumption that it's just a single vegan/vegetarian's impact.

It's not, there are a fair number of people who don't eat meat/animal products even if it's not a vast majority. That's people who would ordinarily be purchasing meat products, which would increase the demand for them and thus the supply.

Because those people don't purchase these products, the demand is lower through their combined actions and so presumably the supply doesn't just say 'hey ho let's waste all these cattle and rear some more anyway because the veggies might have a change of mind'

Hell, I could be wrong and I know there is an appalling amount of wastage in the food industry (in general, not just meat products) but surely it can't be profitable for them to be raising 110%'s* worth of demand.

*Just as a ballpark of the number of vegetarian/vegans on the planet to the number of normies

If that is the case and on the assumption that humans operate based on common sense when it comes to money at least -> that's still a sizeable number of animals not being born and killed to supply their demand <_<

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Verbatim · December 10, 2015, 01:48:49 PM

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Meat is just too damn tasty to go vegetarian, let alone vegan.

I tried for like 3 days.

I can respect that you tried. Addiction is brutal.

Girl of Mystery · December 10, 2015, 01:50:30 PM

I could easily go without eating meat. I just choose not to, because I enjoy it.

clum clum · December 10, 2015, 01:50:55 PM

Is meat actually addictive, though?

Verbatim · December 10, 2015, 01:53:29 PM

Quote from: Mount And Do Me on December 10, 2015, 01:50:55 PM

Is meat actually addictive, though?

Obviously not in the same way that nicotine is, but psychologically, for all intents and purposes, this whole not-being-able-to-go-vegan-because-meat-tastes-too-good phenomenon exhibits every single trait of your textbook addiction.

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thepanzieman · December 10, 2015, 01:54:45 PM

I'm not even argueing about being straight edge

it's better than being a druggie or an alcoholic.

though, I do personally think most adults drink moderately. Generally a controlled amount of that substance in your diet has been shown to have many benefits, especially social.

Girl of Mystery · December 10, 2015, 01:57:14 PM

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Quote from: Leymon's term on December 10, 2015, 01:50:30 PM
I could easily go without eating meat. I just choose not to, because I enjoy it.
Obviously.

If we all HAD to stop eating meat, we could. It would suck though.

well duh. that isn't a choice you nimrod.

i'm not talking about being forced

Verbatim · December 10, 2015, 01:58:57 PM

Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2015, 01:53:41 PM

Quote from: Leymon's term on December 10, 2015, 01:50:30 PM
I could easily go without eating meat. I just choose not to, because I enjoy it.
Obviously.

If we all HAD to stop eating meat, we could. It would suck though.

and it does suck, i'm not going to lie to you

i mean, i've been at it for so long, that the taste of meat physically repulses me--i can't stand it
but the first good three or four months were, uh, not fun

a lot of vegans talk like it's the easiest thing--i won't lie to you and say that it is

clum clum · December 10, 2015, 01:59:12 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 10, 2015, 01:53:29 PM

Quote from: Mount And Do Me on December 10, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
Is meat actually addictive, though?
Obviously not in the same way that nicotine is, but psychologically, for all intents and purposes, this whole not-being-able-to-go-vegan-because-meat-tastes-too-good phenomenon exhibits every single trait of your textbook addiction.

Perhaps it has something to do with eating meat-related products all of your life from a very young age.

thepanzieman · December 10, 2015, 02:00:25 PM

It's not that meat tastes so good that I couldn't go without out it, It's that I have no reason to even consider giving up meat.

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Verbatim · December 10, 2015, 02:01:57 PM

Quote from: Mount And Do Me on December 10, 2015, 01:59:12 PM

Perhaps it has something to do with eating meat-related products all of your life from a very young age.

oh, absolutely--that's almost certainly the case

perhaps i should be a post-natal advocate for veganism instead

like, if you're too weak/stubborn to be a vegan, fine--just don't make your kids meat-eaters

i don't think that's a lot to ask for

Verbatim · December 10, 2015, 02:03:10 PM

Quote from: thepanzieman on December 10, 2015, 02:00:25 PM

It's not that meat tastes so good that I couldn't go without out it, It's that I have no reason to even consider giving up meat.

yeah you do, you just choose to ignore them, because

like i said--if you realized how much of a disgusting cunt you are, that would ruin you

you'd have to quit your job and find something else, for one thing