Spoiler Batman vs Superman was fucking horrific.

 
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Exactly. So this idea that the common man thinking the idea is stupid is not entirely baseless. It is stupid.

Yeah, I tend to agree, and IMO it devalues Batman as an interesting hero for having no powers by making him basically unbeatable.

I've been saying for a long time that Batman is one of the most, if not, the most overpowered character in the DCU. Save like, the Flash or Spectre or something.


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Exactly. So this idea that the common man thinking the idea is stupid is not entirely baseless. It is stupid.

Yeah, I tend to agree, and IMO it devalues Batman as an interesting hero for having no powers by making him basically unbeatable.
he's not unbeatable, wtf? in this particular movie maybe that argument has some merit but there are tons of examples throughout history of batman's vulnerability.


 
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your narrow definition of "fair fight" unnecessarily excludes a lot of otherwise thematically sound plans that various batmen have developed to deal with superman. also, just one example, he defeats superman in the dark knight returns, and makes it very clear that he actively chose to spare superman's life.

What? All "fair fight" would include would be equal prep. time. If Superman was given the same prep. time as Batman, he'd win. No contest. The only time Batman ever "stands a chance" is when he's given more prep. time, a significantly neutered Superman, or Superman is holding back. Every time.

To continue on your TDKR example. Batman was able to "defeat" Superman by

+facing a significantly underpowered version of Superman in comparison to his canon contemporaries
+facing an injured Superman who just walked away from a nuclear attack
+utilising an overpowered version of Kryptonite that really only exists to jerk off Batman, courtesy of Miller
+succeeds thanks to his ally, Green Arrow
+manages to survive the encounter by faking a heart attack

Yes, quite the degrading defeat for the Man of Steel.


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he's not unbeatable, wtf? in this particular movie maybe that argument has some merit but there are tons of examples throughout history of batman's vulnerability.

That's precisely why Bats vs. Supes fights feel super contrived and silly.


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your narrow definition of "fair fight" unnecessarily excludes a lot of otherwise thematically sound plans that various batmen have developed to deal with superman. also, just one example, he defeats superman in the dark knight returns, and makes it very clear that he actively chose to spare superman's life.
If Superman was given the same prep. time as Batman, he'd win. No contest.
batman is much smarter than clark. thats a very stupid way of thinking.

im done talking to you.


 
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The only way Batman could beat Superman is if he WAS unbeatable. If he's not unbeatable, Superman will win every time, because the margin between their powers is so vast that if he even has one weakness, Superman can exploit the FUCK out of it.


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he's not unbeatable, wtf? in this particular movie maybe that argument has some merit but there are tons of examples throughout history of batman's vulnerability.

That's precisely why Bats vs. Supes fights feel super contrived and silly.
did you ever take them seriously in the first place?


 
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you've already conceded that there is no one consistent canon to go off of, so like

why don't people realize that these debates are always pointless


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you've already conceded that there is no one consistent canon to go off of, so like

why don't people realize that these debates are always pointless
why dont you realize that any of the debate you get into are always pointless? sometimes people just want to argue about shit verb


 
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batman is much smarter than clark. thats a very stupid way of thinking.

im done talking to you.

Except he isn't. Superman is super intelligent, you realise. He's far smarter than Batman, at least, in computation and knowledge.


 
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you've already conceded that there is no one consistent canon to go off of, so like

Anything that ever was canon is usually fair game.

The Dark Knight Returns was never canon, and neither was any comic where Batman "wins".


 
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iirc superman can turn back time if he flies around the world a bunch of times

all he would have to do is turn back time to when bruce was still an infant, and kill him then

boom

but then someone's gonna say "that doesn't count because bla bla bla"


 
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iirc superman can turn back time if he flies around the world a bunch of times

all he would have to do is turn back time to when bruce was still an infant, and kill him then

Yeah, he can't do that. The best chance he'd have at going back in time would be to tap into the speedforce like The Flash but he can't do that while a speedster is alive, so...


 
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Batman's best chance is always Kryptonite, and Kryptonite's affects vary from writer to writer... and he has ways of immunising himself against it.

So. . .


 
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Yeah, he can't do that. The best chance he'd have at going back in time would be to tap into the speedforce like The Flash but he can't do that while a speedster is alive, so...
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iirc superman can turn back time if he flies around the world a bunch of times
he could just use the cosmic treadmill because he's a speedster in most incarnations. that flying around the world thing was so weird.

edit: nvm he doesnt have a connection to the speed force despite being a speedster.
Last Edit: March 25, 2016, 05:33:38 PM by Azumarill


 
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Yeah, he can't do that. The best chance he'd have at going back in time would be to tap into the speedforce like The Flash but he can't do that while a speedster is alive, so...
YouTube


The world turning the other way a few times doesn't turn back time. He could change the rotation of the earth if he wanted to but that wouldn't magically turn back the clock.


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Yeah, he can't do that. The best chance he'd have at going back in time would be to tap into the speedforce like The Flash but he can't do that while a speedster is alive, so...
YouTube


The world turning the other way a few times doesn't turn back time. He could change the rotation of the earth if he wanted to but that wouldn't magically turn back the clock.
and people cant fly and there arent aliens that shoot laser beams out of their eyes and are powered by the sun. its fiction, fuck off already


 
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The world turning the other way a few times doesn't turn back time. He could change the rotation of the earth if he wanted to but that wouldn't magically turn back the clock.
then how the fuck does lois come back to life

that's pretty much the whole reason he even did that--lois died, so he's turning back time to when she was alive

it's a stupid-as-fuck plot device, but that's literally what happened there
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and people cant fly and there arent aliens that shoot laser beams out of their eyes and are powered by the sun. its fiction, fuck off already

what's your fucking problem.


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and people cant fly and there arent aliens that shoot laser beams out of their eyes and are powered by the sun. its fiction, fuck off already

what's your fucking problem.
my problem is with the retarded things you keep saying


 
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then how the fuck does lois come back to life

that's literally why he's even doing that--because lois died, so he's turning back time to when she was alive

it's a stupid-as-fuck plot device, but that's literally what happened there

Because that's what happens in the movie. For no good reason. I always thought it was stupid, too.

The reeves movies suck and i don't like them, fyi.
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and people cant fly and there arent aliens that shoot laser beams out of their eyes and are powered by the sun. its fiction, fuck off already

what's your fucking problem.
my problem is with the retarded things you keep saying

I haven't said anything that ridiculous to warrant a "fuck off, already"


 
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because that's what happens in the movie. for no good reason. i always thought it was stupid, too.

the reeves movies suck and i don't like them, fyi
well yeah, but i don't think it matters if we like it or not--it's what happened, and it was canon at one point, so

if we're to go by what you just said earlier, it seems fair game that superman would be able to turn back time


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and people cant fly and there arent aliens that shoot laser beams out of their eyes and are powered by the sun. its fiction, fuck off already

what's your fucking problem.
my problem is with the retarded things you keep saying

I haven't said anything that ridiculous to warrant a "fuck off, already"
thats because youre completely oblivious to how fucking stupid you are


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superheroes are serious business guys


 
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because that's what happens in the movie. for no good reason. i always thought it was stupid, too.

the reeves movies suck and i don't like them, fyi
well yeah, but i don't think it matters if we like it or not--it's what happened, and it was canon at one point, so

if we're to go by what you just said earlier, it seems fair game that superman would be able to turn back time

What? The Reeves movies were never canon.

It had to be the official, regonised main-line canon of the DCU at one point to be considered "canon" in debates like this. DC's idea of canon is really fucked up.


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superheroes are serious business guys
we didnt need another retard in this thread but you just had to drop in didnt you


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Who paid you to look at this?
You'd think superman would punch batman once and the movie would be over
if you're retarded
superman would still kill him with a punch. The movie is fucking retarded.


 
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thats because youre completely oblivious to how fucking stupid you are

Or you're incapable of supporting statements like "Batman is much smarter than Clark."

Like, he may be a bit smarter than Clark, which is even then, still arguable... but "much" smarter? Lol, no.