Question. How do you balance shit? How do you find a balance between trying to keep yourself happy. And doing the ugly things required of you in today's world? Money in today's world, is the gateway to everything. If you have it, and a lot of it, nothing is off limits to you.

But the price paid to get it, to get that much of it, is high. It's hours of your life spent, working, truly working and devoted to making it. People say that money buys a hollow happiness. You can have all the money in the world but still be depressed.

But is that really the case? Those bits of time, those little moments you earn because of the money, are you not happy and enjoying yourself in them?

It's a wager and a balance. Work your life, spend all that time away for short little moments, using all that money to get yourself something grand. Or try to live your life happily day by day, but come face to face with the reality that you've no money and so you're poor. Unable to take those doors that others can.

And what of people? How do you balance that?

Their tired, boring routines that are predictable, so predictable and played out that you can practically smell it on them when you see them? It's so expected and cliche that it's boring.

And yet when you turn away, isolate yourself, and bring someone along for the ride, it gets old. It gets stuffy. Cabin fever of sorts.

Not enough work. You get bored of your spare time. Too much work, and you break down.

Where do you find that acceptable middle ground that rests in between either sides when both are so easy to fall into?

What's your wager on that?

I don't find balance. I just try to  deal with what comes at me and push things deep down till I have a break down and just stop.

I don't find balance. I just try to  deal with what comes at me and push things deep down till I have a break down and just stop.

It's alarming to me because I just had two dangerous conversations with people today, and took a look at two other people in my life and realized how much of a mess it all is.

None of them are succeeding but all of them are radically different in their approaches. It begs the question. Is it any wonder why modern generations are the way they are?

I'm not Guthix, I do what I please, balance or not.

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I don't find balance. I just try to  deal with what comes at me and push things deep down till I have a break down and just stop.

It's alarming to me because I just had two dangerous conversations with people today, and took a look at two other people in my life and realized how much of a mess it all is.

None of them are succeeding but all of them are radically different in their approaches. It begs the question. Is it any wonder why modern generations are the way they are?

I.. I don't understand..

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I don't find balance. I just try to  deal with what comes at me and push things deep down till I have a break down and just stop.

It's alarming to me because I just had two dangerous conversations with people today, and took a look at two other people in my life and realized how much of a mess it all is.

None of them are succeeding but all of them are radically different in their approaches. It begs the question. Is it any wonder why modern generations are the way they are?

I.. I don't understand..

Person #1: Lives on the principle of trying to be happy but is poor. Unable to go where money can take one. And that happy is fading because of all the arising problems.

Person #2: Doesn't make much money, but more than number 1. But person number 2's time is entirely devoted to it. Person number 2 is not happy.

Person #3: Is a go getter. Is making lots of money, enough that they can afford a lot. But their time is completely spent. They have all this money but they can't do shit with it because they're too busy making money.

Person #4: Doesn't care so much for money, but understands the necessity for it and will work for it, is trying to, but has nobody to hire them.

All four of these people in my life are all different in their approach.

And they're all not happy. What's left standing? What option is there?

And let me add some context here.

Person number 1 is 70. Person number 2 is 56. Person number 3 is 46. Person number 4 is 22.

No matter their age they're all backed into a corner, no matter what they do they're backed into a corner with the same end result no matter how hard they try.

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I will be happy while earning lots of money. I do not have to choose one or the other

Is that the case? What's your game plan for "earning lots of money?" To give an example. You get 100 dollars for a clean chimney. You work 18 hours a day, and have only sunday's off. You regularily clean on average 10-11 chimney's per day.

And you have a business out of it. You have other people doing it as well and you're definiately pulling in money. Once or twice a year you go down south to mexico with all that money. Go sailing. Whatever.

But 18 hours a day, from monday to to saturday. There's no arguing that there's cost for it all.

Well, with that, you'd be making 1,000-1,100 dollars per day, so you'd only really need to work for 2 months a year to get your average annual wage.

Except that the person I mentioned doesn't stop at two months a year because when you own a chimney busines there is no stopping.

You compete with other businesses and his business is the top business. In order to stay on top, you have to play the game.

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I will be happy while earning lots of money. I do not have to choose one or the other

Is that the case? What's your game plan for "earning lots of money?" To give an example. You get 100 dollars for a clean chimney. You work 18 hours a day, and have only sunday's off. You regularily clean on average 10-11 chimney's per day.

And you have a business out of it. You have other people doing it as well and you're definiately pulling in money. Once or twice a year you go down south to mexico with all that money. Go sailing. Whatever.

But 18 hours a day, from monday to to saturday. There's no arguing that there's cost for it all.

Well, with that, you'd be making 1,000-1,100 dollars per day, so you'd only really need to work for 2 months a year to get your average annual wage.

Except that the person I mentioned doesn't stop at two months a year because when you own a chimney busines there is no stopping.

You compete with other businesses and his business is the top business. In order to stay on top, you have to play the game.

Hm...

Then...

Is this the person #2 you were mentioning? If so, then I really can see why he wouldn't be happy if he were doing that for 11 or more months per year. :/

This rich person is technically number 5. I don't know him personally but I know him because he's the son to person number 1.

And they're not happy. They buy shit all the time. In fact, they still find a way to owe debts because all they do is buy shit to fill that gaping hole in their lives.

They've a family but never see them. They're rich but only because they keep going. And only once a year, maybe twice, do they ever stop, sit down, and go on a vacation for about 3 weeks at the most.

I know five people from the bottom of the scale to the top.

And it's unbelievable to me on thinking about it.

All fucking five of them are unhappy.

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A lot of it has to do with not allowing your mind to dwell on the things it wants to dwell on and occupying it with other shit.

Even that. Even that isn't the case. You need to occupy yourself to keep busy. To keep healthy and okay. Work. Do something. But work is always piled on too much these days.

Yup.
Become one with the robot.

I actually can't get my head around it. I know four people in person, all different levels of wealth on the scales, and a fifth person I haven't met yet.

All trying different approaches, rich or poor, and they're still fucked. It just dawned on me. What do you do with that. Where did all five of them mess up. What's the thing they're missing?

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I will be happy while earning lots of money. I do not have to choose one or the other

Is that the case? What's your game plan for "earning lots of money?" To give an example. You get 100 dollars for a clean chimney. You work 18 hours a day, and have only sunday's off. You regularily clean on average 10-11 chimney's per day.

And you have a business out of it. You have other people doing it as well and you're definiately pulling in money. Once or twice a year you go down south to mexico with all that money. Go sailing. Whatever.

But 18 hours a day, from monday to to saturday. There's no arguing that there's cost for it all.

Well, with that, you'd be making 1,000-1,100 dollars per day, so you'd only really need to work for 2 months a year to get your average annual wage.

Except that the person I mentioned doesn't stop at two months a year because when you own a chimney busines there is no stopping.

You compete with other businesses and his business is the top business. In order to stay on top, you have to play the game.

Hm...

Then...

Is this the person #2 you were mentioning? If so, then I really can see why he wouldn't be happy if he were doing that for 11 or more months per year. :/

This rich person is technically number 5. I don't know him personally but I know him because he's the son to person number 1.

And they're not happy. They buy shit all the time. In fact, they still find a way to owe debts because all they do is buy shit to fill that gaping hole in their lives.

They've a family but never see them. They're rich but only because they keep going. And only once a year, maybe twice, do they ever stop, sit down, and go on a vacation for about 3 weeks at the most.

I know five people from the bottom of the scale to the top.

And it's unbelievable to me on thinking about it.

All fucking five of them are unhappy.

That's what happens when you buy objects rather than experiences. And it's a mistake far too many people make in the US. They often complain about not being about to travel as they're looking up an online catalog for useless clothes or shoes they don't even need (irony!!!).

It's a matter of using what resources you have well, and at least 3 of those people you mentioned are blowing their resources away into a cesspool, so of course they aren't going to be happy.

Technically only one is. Person number 5. And that's because as I said. It's filling a hole in them. Imagine it. 18 hours a day, fro monday to saturday.

If you had money, but had to work to keep going, to keep the money going, would you not buy shit too? That's what money is and what it does. If you have it you'll spend it. The only difference is what you're spending it on based on how much you have.

All others I mentioned ave it. Use it as needed but still get fucked over.

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A lot of it has to do with not allowing your mind to dwell on the things it wants to dwell on and occupying it with other shit.

Even that. Even that isn't the case. You need to occupy yourself to keep busy. To keep healthy and okay. Work. Do something. But work is always piled on too much these days.

Yup.
Become one with the robot.

I actually can't get my head around it. I know four people in person, all different levels of wealth on the scales, and a fifth person I haven't met yet.

All trying different approaches, rich or poor, and they're still fucked. It just dawned on me. What do you do with that. Where did all five of them mess up. What's the thing they're missing?

Lack of time to breathe and enjoy life and people to love?

Here's the real funny part. Person number one has a wife and a child. Love is there. More love than I can say for any others I mentioned. But the time, and money needs have them on their feet, always. Even with love person number one is losing ground.

Person number two is alone, always has been alone. They're bitter. Tough personality to get along with.

Person number three, for some reason, is alone as well. Which is strange considering things.

Person number four is trying not to be alone.

Person number five has a family but has so much money and works so much that he doesn't ever even really see them or spend time with them save for time on vacations.

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I will be happy while earning lots of money. I do not have to choose one or the other

Is that the case? What's your game plan for "earning lots of money?" To give an example. You get 100 dollars for a clean chimney. You work 18 hours a day, and have only sunday's off. You regularily clean on average 10-11 chimney's per day.

And you have a business out of it. You have other people doing it as well and you're definiately pulling in money. Once or twice a year you go down south to mexico with all that money. Go sailing. Whatever.

But 18 hours a day, from monday to to saturday. There's no arguing that there's cost for it all.

Well, with that, you'd be making 1,000-1,100 dollars per day, so you'd only really need to work for 2 months a year to get your average annual wage.

Except that the person I mentioned doesn't stop at two months a year because when you own a chimney busines there is no stopping.

You compete with other businesses and his business is the top business. In order to stay on top, you have to play the game.

Hm...

Then...

Is this the person #2 you were mentioning? If so, then I really can see why he wouldn't be happy if he were doing that for 11 or more months per year. :/

This rich person is technically number 5. I don't know him personally but I know him because he's the son to person number 1.

And they're not happy. They buy shit all the time. In fact, they still find a way to owe debts because all they do is buy shit to fill that gaping hole in their lives.

They've a family but never see them. They're rich but only because they keep going. And only once a year, maybe twice, do they ever stop, sit down, and go on a vacation for about 3 weeks at the most.

I know five people from the bottom of the scale to the top.

And it's unbelievable to me on thinking about it.

All fucking five of them are unhappy.

That's what happens when you buy objects rather than experiences. And it's a mistake far too many people make in the US. They often complain about not being about to travel as they're looking up an online catalog for useless clothes or shoes they don't even need (irony!!!).

It's a matter of using what resources you have well, and at least 3 of those people you mentioned are blowing their resources away into a cesspool, so of course they aren't going to be happy.

Technically only one is. Person number 5. And that's because as I said. It's filling a hole in them. Imagine it. 18 hours a day, fro monday to saturday.

If you had money, but had to work to keep going, to keep the money going, would you not buy shit too? That's what money is and what it does. If you have it you'll spend it. The only difference is what you're spending it on based on how much you have.

All others I mentioned ave it. Use it as needed but still get fucked over.

Well, I wouldn't buy random crap with it. I'd use it to travel or to move somewhere else.

In all honesty, what does he aim to do with his business? Is he just keeping it going until he has enough money saved up to retire for the rest of is life, or is just going to keep at it until he's 65, and completely worn out.

That's a good question. I'd wager it's go until retirement age. It's not like he doesn't save either.

But what is he saving to? Is he saving for his children, or is he saving based on the false assumption that he'll still want to be active by the time he retires....

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I will be happy while earning lots of money. I do not have to choose one or the other

Is that the case? What's your game plan for "earning lots of money?" To give an example. You get 100 dollars for a clean chimney. You work 18 hours a day, and have only sunday's off. You regularily clean on average 10-11 chimney's per day.

And you have a business out of it. You have other people doing it as well and you're definiately pulling in money. Once or twice a year you go down south to mexico with all that money. Go sailing. Whatever.

But 18 hours a day, from monday to to saturday. There's no arguing that there's cost for it all.

Well, with that, you'd be making 1,000-1,100 dollars per day, so you'd only really need to work for 2 months a year to get your average annual wage.

Except that the person I mentioned doesn't stop at two months a year because when you own a chimney busines there is no stopping.

You compete with other businesses and his business is the top business. In order to stay on top, you have to play the game.

Hm...

Then...

Is this the person #2 you were mentioning? If so, then I really can see why he wouldn't be happy if he were doing that for 11 or more months per year. :/

This rich person is technically number 5. I don't know him personally but I know him because he's the son to person number 1.

And they're not happy. They buy shit all the time. In fact, they still find a way to owe debts because all they do is buy shit to fill that gaping hole in their lives.

They've a family but never see them. They're rich but only because they keep going. And only once a year, maybe twice, do they ever stop, sit down, and go on a vacation for about 3 weeks at the most.

I know five people from the bottom of the scale to the top.

And it's unbelievable to me on thinking about it.

All fucking five of them are unhappy.

That's what happens when you buy objects rather than experiences. And it's a mistake far too many people make in the US. They often complain about not being about to travel as they're looking up an online catalog for useless clothes or shoes they don't even need (irony!!!).

It's a matter of using what resources you have well, and at least 3 of those people you mentioned are blowing their resources away into a cesspool, so of course they aren't going to be happy.

Technically only one is. Person number 5. And that's because as I said. It's filling a hole in them. Imagine it. 18 hours a day, fro monday to saturday.

If you had money, but had to work to keep going, to keep the money going, would you not buy shit too? That's what money is and what it does. If you have it you'll spend it. The only difference is what you're spending it on based on how much you have.

All others I mentioned ave it. Use it as needed but still get fucked over.

Well, I wouldn't buy random crap with it. I'd use it to travel or to move somewhere else.

In all honesty, what does he aim to do with his business? Is he just keeping it going until he has enough money saved up to retire for the rest of is life, or is just going to keep at it until he's 65, and completely worn out.

That's a good question. I'd wager it's go until retirement age. It's not like he doesn't save either.

But what is he saving to? Is he saving for his children, or is he saving based on the false assumption that he'll still want to be active by the time he retires....

He's just saving. That's it. That's it. I mean, barebones, that's fucking it. He's just saving. He's a businessman through and through.

That's.... pretty sad in all honesty. No vision whatsoever. That really makes him no better than the other people you mentioned.

Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe what you want out of life isn't in your community where you live?

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I will be happy while earning lots of money. I do not have to choose one or the other

Is that the case? What's your game plan for "earning lots of money?" To give an example. You get 100 dollars for a clean chimney. You work 18 hours a day, and have only sunday's off. You regularily clean on average 10-11 chimney's per day.

And you have a business out of it. You have other people doing it as well and you're definiately pulling in money. Once or twice a year you go down south to mexico with all that money. Go sailing. Whatever.

But 18 hours a day, from monday to to saturday. There's no arguing that there's cost for it all.

Well, with that, you'd be making 1,000-1,100 dollars per day, so you'd only really need to work for 2 months a year to get your average annual wage.

Except that the person I mentioned doesn't stop at two months a year because when you own a chimney busines there is no stopping.

You compete with other businesses and his business is the top business. In order to stay on top, you have to play the game.

Hm...

Then...

Is this the person #2 you were mentioning? If so, then I really can see why he wouldn't be happy if he were doing that for 11 or more months per year. :/

This rich person is technically number 5. I don't know him personally but I know him because he's the son to person number 1.

And they're not happy. They buy shit all the time. In fact, they still find a way to owe debts because all they do is buy shit to fill that gaping hole in their lives.

They've a family but never see them. They're rich but only because they keep going. And only once a year, maybe twice, do they ever stop, sit down, and go on a vacation for about 3 weeks at the most.

I know five people from the bottom of the scale to the top.

And it's unbelievable to me on thinking about it.

All fucking five of them are unhappy.

That's what happens when you buy objects rather than experiences. And it's a mistake far too many people make in the US. They often complain about not being about to travel as they're looking up an online catalog for useless clothes or shoes they don't even need (irony!!!).

It's a matter of using what resources you have well, and at least 3 of those people you mentioned are blowing their resources away into a cesspool, so of course they aren't going to be happy.

Technically only one is. Person number 5. And that's because as I said. It's filling a hole in them. Imagine it. 18 hours a day, fro monday to saturday.

If you had money, but had to work to keep going, to keep the money going, would you not buy shit too? That's what money is and what it does. If you have it you'll spend it. The only difference is what you're spending it on based on how much you have.

All others I mentioned ave it. Use it as needed but still get fucked over.

Well, I wouldn't buy random crap with it. I'd use it to travel or to move somewhere else.

In all honesty, what does he aim to do with his business? Is he just keeping it going until he has enough money saved up to retire for the rest of is life, or is just going to keep at it until he's 65, and completely worn out.

That's a good question. I'd wager it's go until retirement age. It's not like he doesn't save either.

But what is he saving to? Is he saving for his children, or is he saving based on the false assumption that he'll still want to be active by the time he retires....

He's just saving. That's it. That's it. I mean, barebones, that's fucking it. He's just saving. He's a businessman through and through.

That's.... pretty sad in all honesty. No vision whatsoever. That really makes him no better than the other people you mentioned.

Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe what you want out of life isn't in your community where you live?

Which is where the equation of people comes into play.

Plain, purely, and simple, fuck people. You can't get away from them no matter where you go. You can't get away from their stupid bullshit unless you push yourself into isolation.

However. Don't say, "no better."

All of those people I know where raised by their parents and so on and so forth. All of them were handed their cards in life. You can't change that.

And no, I won't ever leave.

Person number 1 needs my help because they can't manage it all alone. Number 2 needs my help to break free of that rat trap they're stuck in and find something good in their life. Number 3 will eventually need my help and I will always be around to give it. And number 4 is waiting to call on me when they need me because I told them I will always be there.

Number five is two provinces away, and separate from the bunch I mentioned.

Point being. No I won't leave, because using them as examples, what else is there? What road do I bother choosing when all those roads sitting right there as examples to me lead to excess amounts of bullshit.

No, I'm not questioning my life nor am I pondering on how I want to play my hand. I already know what I'm going to do and who I am.

I'm some guy, in a field, with a shovel. Give me a pile of dirt to move all day and I'll move it. Give me people, my friends and family, and I'll dig them out of their graves and do the best I can for them because obviously something got fucked up down the road for all of them.

And that's a wrap. Going for a walk. Pondering on the rather funny fact that if you took person number 2, number 3, and number 5, and combined their collective salaries, counting money spent on expenses, technically speaking, our collective wealth as a family would be millionaires.

Fuck it's a doozy.