Making progress

Looks like a critter.

WIP Warcraft inspired sword. ~1 hour of work so far.

Sketched the last one I did in photoshop to refine the proportions. Being able to flip the image really exposed all the mistakes. It's nuts how you can suddenly see them so well after doing it. Painting is difficult as hell though. I really need to gain more experience with it.

tbh the default brushes in Photoshop are pretty shit, I can send you the brush packs I use if you want.

Sketched the last one I did in photoshop to refine the proportions. Being able to flip the image really exposed all the mistakes. It's nuts how you can suddenly see them so well after doing it. Painting is difficult as hell though. I really need to gain more experience with it.

dont bother flipping if you cant see it just by looking at it

its the same effect as if you look in the mirror vs a picture on your phone unless your face is perfect or something

unless your picture must be absolutely symmetrical like if you were drawing a metropolis poster or something

Quote from: Aether on February 15, 2017, 11:12:59 PM

Sketched the last one I did in photoshop to refine the proportions. Being able to flip the image really exposed all the mistakes. It's nuts how you can suddenly see them so well after doing it. Painting is difficult as hell though. I really need to gain more experience with it.

dont bother flipping if you cant see it just by looking at it

its the same effect as if you look in the mirror vs a picture on your phone unless your face is perfect or something

unless your picture must be absolutely symmetrical like if you were drawing a metropolis poster or something

Nah it's not just like seeing your face in the mirror vs a photo. It really does bring genuine mistakes in the proportions to your attention. With that sketch, I didn't realize how skewed the angles of the jawline were until I reversed it, and it helped me correct real anatomical errors.

I've seen  many artists do it for a long time now but never realized how effective it is until I tried it.

Also, I'm using Photoshop because I want to get into painting digitally. Sketching things mostly on paper, scanning them in, and painting the sketch in PS.

Quote from: Aether on February 16, 2017, 11:31:49 AM

Quote from: Pepsi on February 16, 2017, 11:10:57 AM

Quote from: Aether on February 15, 2017, 11:12:59 PM

Sketched the last one I did in photoshop to refine the proportions. Being able to flip the image really exposed all the mistakes. It's nuts how you can suddenly see them so well after doing it. Painting is difficult as hell though. I really need to gain more experience with it.

dont bother flipping if you cant see it just by looking at it

its the same effect as if you look in the mirror vs a picture on your phone unless your face is perfect or something

unless your picture must be absolutely symmetrical like if you were drawing a metropolis poster or something

Nah it's not just like seeing your face in the mirror vs a photo. It really does bring genuine mistakes in the proportions to your attention. With that sketch, I didn't realize how skewed the angles of the jawline were until I reversed it, and it helped me correct real anatomical errors.

people are born with skewed jaws all the time

mine is very slightly to the left

if you were drawing the face from an angle which is where i see most of your mistakes tbh

again if you cant see the mistakes without a mirror theyre probably not worth fixing, people arent going to be dissecting your art by playing with a mirror just to point out your mistakes, because its likely they wont see it either; i dont really call them mistakes, if theyre not bad enough for you to spot them at a glance and it still looks natural, then it is what it is

Nah I'm talking about real anatomical errors, not the natural imperfections of the face. I'm telling you, there's a real phenomena of not being able to fully see genuine errors with proportion and anatomy when first sketching the face. They're not major errors, they're slight, but they're errors nonetheless that go beyond natural imperfections. They're certainly thing I would want to refine after noticing them. I could tell something was off the about the sketch when looking at it and wasn't satisfied with it, but I couldn't exactly pinpoint what it was until flipping the image.

After reversing the image and refining the sketch, I'm significantly more satisfied with how it looks now. You can see it's not perfectly symmetrical, and I wasn't aiming for that at all, but it looks significantly better to me after doing it.

I get what you're trying to say, and I agree that you shouldn't strive for perfect symmetry with the face, but I've seen so many great artists use this technique and benefit from it, so I just don't see why I shouldn't use it as well, especially since it seems to be benefiting me as well.

thanks for finally watching me on dA bepsi

did you watch me

Quote from: Aether on February 16, 2017, 04:30:05 PM

they're slight, but they're errors nonetheless that go beyond natural imperfections.

youre not drawing natural faces though

Even though I'm not striving for perfect symmetry and am just correcting slight genuine anatomical errors? To be clear, I am distinguishing mistakes with anatomy from natural imperfections. I'm not trying to draw a perfectly symmetrical face.

Your attitude towards this technique is really disheartening. You're the first person I've ever seen to be against using it.

Quote from: Pepsi on February 16, 2017, 04:45:02 PM

Quote from: Aether on February 16, 2017, 04:30:05 PM

they're slight, but they're errors nonetheless that go beyond natural imperfections.

youre not drawing natural faces though

Even though I'm not striving for perfect symmetry and am just correcting slight genuine anatomical errors? To be clear, I am distinguishing mistakes with anatomy from natural imperfections. I'm not trying to draw a perfectly symmetrical face.

Your attitude towards this technique is really disheartening. You're the first person I've ever seen to be against using it.

hey do whatever you want im just saying

Quote from: Aether on February 16, 2017, 04:59:01 PM

Quote from: Pepsi on February 16, 2017, 04:45:02 PM

Quote from: Aether on February 16, 2017, 04:30:05 PM

they're slight, but they're errors nonetheless that go beyond natural imperfections.

youre not drawing natural faces though

Even though I'm not striving for perfect symmetry and am just correcting slight genuine anatomical errors? To be clear, I am distinguishing mistakes with anatomy from natural imperfections. I'm not trying to draw a perfectly symmetrical face.

Your attitude towards this technique is really disheartening. You're the first person I've ever seen to be against using it.

hey do whatever you want im just saying

I will, of course. It's just that, as a skilled artist, I value your opinion and if you're going to see my face sketches as not being natural because I flip them, when I still strive to achieve a natural look, then it's disheartening.

Quote from: Aether on February 16, 2017, 06:08:43 PM

Quote from: Pepsi on February 16, 2017, 05:36:44 PM

Quote from: Aether on February 16, 2017, 04:59:01 PM

Quote from: Pepsi on February 16, 2017, 04:45:02 PM

Quote from: Aether on February 16, 2017, 04:30:05 PM

they're slight, but they're errors nonetheless that go beyond natural imperfections.

youre not drawing natural faces though

Even though I'm not striving for perfect symmetry and am just correcting slight genuine anatomical errors? To be clear, I am distinguishing mistakes with anatomy from natural imperfections. I'm not trying to draw a perfectly symmetrical face.

Your attitude towards this technique is really disheartening. You're the first person I've ever seen to be against using it.

hey do whatever you want im just saying

I will, of course. It's just that, as skilled artist, I value your opinion and if you're going to see my face sketches as not being natural because I flip them, when I still strive to achieve a natural look, then it's disheartening.

i thought you were going for a semi-cartoony face not a realistic one

Yeah I want to do stylized work, but I want to approach it from a good knowledge of fundamentals.