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So today I decided to visit my city local art museum.  I'm walking though the different exhibits when an art critic just ask me if I have any questions,favorite style or art, favorite artist.....  I told that I consider alot of thing *art* and I respect the hard and talent that been put into it.  He asked me to elaborate on what I consider art.  I told him about so video game drawing that I saw and some cars I see driving around.  Now he's really giving me a look cars? he said.  I said yes cars. Some of them are just beautifully designed and I considered them mobile painting.  Each are different with beautiful lines.  He walked away.  I left and what did I see out in the parking lot
























What do you consider art?


Me: I'm passionate about cars and I do consider them art 


 


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Me? Heh.....why, the only "art" I'll acknowledge are sexualized drawings of Brutes from Halo...


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Me? Heh.....why, the only "art" I'll acknowledge are sexualized drawings of Brutes from Halo...


 
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I think I have a pretty conventional, if broad, definition of art.

That said, I don't consider cars art at all.
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I think I have a pretty conventional, if broad, definition of art.

That said, I don't consider cars art at all.
that's interesting...is it because they're mass produced?


 
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that's interesting...is it because they're mass produced?
I'd say that's part of it, but it's also because there's very limited creative potential for mass-produced vehicles. A functional brand name car MUST be designed a certain way in order to meet certain clearance standards, because trying to get creative not only costs more money, it could also be hazardous to whoever drives in or around it.

If something has to be designed a very meticulously specific way in order to function without any safety or efficiency hazards, then it can't be art in my opinion, because you've restricted creative potential to things like "color," and that to me is not what art is about—it's about personal expression, and Ford doesn't care about personal expression.

That's not to say they can't be art—an individual, not a major manufacturer, could design their own vehicle and add their own creative flourishes to it, and that would certainly be artistic. If you want the car to work and be safe, then your options are still limited, but you have more freedom in terms of design than those who are legally obligated to manufacture safe, undangerous, and uncreative products.

So, I guess a more accurate/honest thing for me to say would be that I consider the "art value" of cars to be very close to zero, similar to a video game where it's just a baseball simulator or something.

I'm normally not one to make such hard-and-fast statements about what is or isn't art, but I think mass-produced cars are ubiquitous enough for me to generalize a bit.
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I think I have a pretty conventional, if broad, definition of art.

That said, I don't consider cars art at all.

that's interesting...is it because they're mass produced?
I'd say that's part of it, but it's also because there's very limited creative potential for mass-produced vehicles. A functional brand name car MUST be designed a certain way in order to meet certain clearance standards, because trying to get creative not only costs more money, it could also be hazardous to whoever drives in or around it.

If something has to be designed a very meticulously specific way in order to function without any safety or efficiency hazards, then it can't be art in my opinion, because you've restricted creative potential to things like "color," and that to me is not what art is about—it's about personal expression, and Ford doesn't care about personal expression.

That's not to say they can't be art—an individual, not a major manufacturer, could design their own vehicle and add their own creative flourishes to it, and that would certainly be artistic. If you want the car to work and be safe, then your options are still limited, but you have more freedom in terms of design than those who are legally obligated to manufacture safe, undangerous, and uncreative products.

So, I guess a more accurate/honest thing for me to say would be that I consider the "art value" of cars to be very close to zero, similar to a video game where it's just a baseball simulator or something.

I'm normally not one to make such hard-and-fast statements about what is or isn't art, but I think mass-produced cars are ubiquitous enough for me to generalize a bit.
They may have to meet certain standard and based on what their industry standards are. I do think car manufactures try to make each one of their vehicle different. At the end of the day it boils down to someone creative vision of a vehicle for X job.  He draws pictures makes molding of it based on regulation.  If automotive designers didn't think of their creation as art we would be all driving around in the exact same car shapes. Cars are art not in the conventional meaning but in the un-conventional  just like parent hang their children pictures on the fridge.


 
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If automotive designers didn't think of their creation as art we would be all driving around in the exact same car shapes.
That's kinda what I see though. All the cars you posted look barely different to me.


 
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That disgusting Ford and Honda aren't art


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That disgusting Ford and Honda aren't art
  The F150 is the rated 2nd for the best selling truck in the world.  The Civic is number 5. 


 
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That disgusting Ford and Honda aren't art
  The F150 is the rated 2nd for the best selling truck in the world.  The Civic is number 5.
Not art


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That disgusting Ford and Honda aren't art
  The F150 is the rated 2nd for the best selling truck in the world.  The Civic is number 5.
Not art
That why their on the list.   Yeah they're Look at those lines


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And I mean, hell, if you have to live the rest of your life in a memory...you might as well make it a good one.
All cars are just motorized boxes with wheels.


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I lied, I'm not impressed. But then again, I'm a tough audience.
Something that sells a lot is not art.
Something that looks nice is not art.
Something that requires creativity is not art.

I'm a gear-head too but cars aren't art.


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Something that sells a lot is not art.
Something that looks nice is not art.
Something that requires creativity is not art.

I'm a gear-head too but cars aren't art.

nice poem, faggot. Gonna hang it up in an art museum?


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This is so weird you bring this up.  I was just thinking about if scale models are considered art or not.  I was thinking about all the painting a person has to do, on top of building the model and modifying it.  By the definition of mt art professor, it technically should be since it's transformative.  Especially when you look at the dioramas people create out of literally pistachio shells.  Then i came across an article that said "Art is a Shitty Descriptor: Art is about as imprecise a word as you can find. It’s highly subjective, and with such a broad scope of meaning that it’s essentially meaningless."   I thought about that for a bit and thought that that assessment was true.  Considering what gets passed as art these days in galleries and on colleges, asking what art is is a shitty question.

But personally I'm biased as fuck when what I consider to be art, or maybe pretentious.  I'm highly against conceptual art when there's no technical prowess behind it, not unless it's super fucking clever.  Usually things utilitarian I don't consider art, but that doesn't lessen my appreciation for aesthetics.  I could go on about this topic, and I'm sure my hypocrisies would find their way out rather quickly.  I don't have to like something to think it's art, I know that, but I'm pretty hard pressed in what I actually consider to be art, or maybe rather good art.  It's a tough subject to pin down


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Something that looks nice is not art.
Something that requires creativity is not art.
TF you on about?  Is the Pietà not art? The Ghent Altarpiece?  The One-Way Color Tunnel?  Those aren't art?


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I lied, I'm not impressed. But then again, I'm a tough audience.
Something that looks nice is not art.
Something that requires creativity is not art.
TF you on about?  Is the Pietà not art? The Ghent Altarpiece?  The One-Way Color Tunnel?  Those aren't art?

Obviously those are art, but not because they required creativity or because they look nice.


 
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Something that looks nice is not art.
Something that requires creativity is not art.
TF you on about?  Is the Pietà not art? The Ghent Altarpiece?  The One-Way Color Tunnel?  Those aren't art?
i think what he meant was that you don't NEED those things for something to be art


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Everything is art.
Just not everything is on the same level or art.


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Something that looks nice is not art.
Something that requires creativity is not art.
TF you on about?  Is the Pietà not art? The Ghent Altarpiece?  The One-Way Color Tunnel?  Those aren't art?
i think what he meant was that you don't NEED those things for something to be art
Not trying to sound snarky or anything, because I'm genuinely curious.  but how can someone create art without being creative?  I'll admit the not looking nice part is a bias of mine, but I don't think that's really worth going into.  Sorry, my thoughts are all over when it comes to this topic


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I lied, I'm not impressed. But then again, I'm a tough audience.
Something that looks nice is not art.
Something that requires creativity is not art.
TF you on about?  Is the Pietà not art? The Ghent Altarpiece?  The One-Way Color Tunnel?  Those aren't art?
i think what he meant was that you don't NEED those things for something to be art
Not trying to sound snarky or anything, because I'm genuinely curious.  but how can someone create art without being creative?  I'll admit the not looking nice part is a bias of mine, but I don't think that's really worth going into.  Sorry, my thoughts are all over when it comes to this topic

You need creativity to create art, but just because you use creativity does not make what you're creating art. That's my position.


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Something that looks nice is not art.
Something that requires creativity is not art.
TF you on about?  Is the Pietà not art? The Ghent Altarpiece?  The One-Way Color Tunnel?  Those aren't art?
i think what he meant was that you don't NEED those things for something to be art
Not trying to sound snarky or anything, because I'm genuinely curious.  but how can someone create art without being creative?  I'll admit the not looking nice part is a bias of mine, but I don't think that's really worth going into.  Sorry, my thoughts are all over when it comes to this topic

You need creativity to create art, but just because you use creativity does not make what you're creating art. That's my position.
So it's more than creativity alone, as in the case with cars.  It needs to be creative in conjunction with meaning, if I'm understanding correctly.


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I lied, I'm not impressed. But then again, I'm a tough audience.
Something that looks nice is not art.
Something that requires creativity is not art.
TF you on about?  Is the Pietà not art? The Ghent Altarpiece?  The One-Way Color Tunnel?  Those aren't art?
i think what he meant was that you don't NEED those things for something to be art
Not trying to sound snarky or anything, because I'm genuinely curious.  but how can someone create art without being creative?  I'll admit the not looking nice part is a bias of mine, but I don't think that's really worth going into.  Sorry, my thoughts are all over when it comes to this topic

You need creativity to create art, but just because you use creativity does not make what you're creating art. That's my position.
So it's more than creativity alone, as in the case with cars.  It needs to be creative in conjunction with meaning, if I'm understanding correctly.

You could say that, yes. Meaning and intention. Intention is integral to my definition of art.


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Just throwing this out there so I don't come off as a snob or something, I really enjoy this discussion.  I don't get to have many of these at school because of how female dominated and shallow discussions are, or I suppose because my opinions are unpopular and generally ganged up on because I prefer old standards of art pre-Duchamp and Pollock


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Something that looks nice is not art.
Something that requires creativity is not art.
TF you on about?  Is the Pietà not art? The Ghent Altarpiece?  The One-Way Color Tunnel?  Those aren't art?
i think what he meant was that you don't NEED those things for something to be art
Not trying to sound snarky or anything, because I'm genuinely curious.  but how can someone create art without being creative?  I'll admit the not looking nice part is a bias of mine, but I don't think that's really worth going into.  Sorry, my thoughts are all over when it comes to this topic

You need creativity to create art, but just because you use creativity does not make what you're creating art. That's my position.
So it's more than creativity alone, as in the case with cars.  It needs to be creative in conjunction with meaning, if I'm understanding correctly.

You could say that, yes. Meaning and intention. Intention is integral to my definition of art.
Ah, I put creativity and ability... technical skills before meaning, mostly because I've seen too much bullshit where people use conceptual art as a crutch for their blatant lack of any artistic skill or simply as a gimmick.  Like the "this is not a pipe but a drawing of a pipe."  Like no shit, the audience isn't that dumb that they think your 2D render is the actual 3D object. 


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I lied, I'm not impressed. But then again, I'm a tough audience.
Something that looks nice is not art.
Something that requires creativity is not art.
TF you on about?  Is the Pietà not art? The Ghent Altarpiece?  The One-Way Color Tunnel?  Those aren't art?
i think what he meant was that you don't NEED those things for something to be art
Not trying to sound snarky or anything, because I'm genuinely curious.  but how can someone create art without being creative?  I'll admit the not looking nice part is a bias of mine, but I don't think that's really worth going into.  Sorry, my thoughts are all over when it comes to this topic

You need creativity to create art, but just because you use creativity does not make what you're creating art. That's my position.
So it's more than creativity alone, as in the case with cars.  It needs to be creative in conjunction with meaning, if I'm understanding correctly.

You could say that, yes. Meaning and intention. Intention is integral to my definition of art.
Ah, I put creativity and ability... technical skills before meaning, mostly because I've seen too much bullshit where people use conceptual art as a crutch for their blatant lack of any artistic skill or simply as a gimmick.  Like the "this is not a pipe but a drawing of a pipe."  Like no shit, the audience isn't that dumb that they think your 2D render is the actual 3D object.

I think of art in a much broader sense than that. Basically if someone has artistic intentions, I'd consider it art. Making a statement with your clothing, for example.


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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
I think of art in a much broader sense than that. Basically if someone has artistic intentions, I'd consider it art. Making a statement with your clothing, for example.
What about aesthetic forms in nature? Fractal geometry for instance, something that can absolutely instill some emotion or idea in someone, is essentially nothing more than looped mathematical functions.


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I lied, I'm not impressed. But then again, I'm a tough audience.
I think of art in a much broader sense than that. Basically if someone has artistic intentions, I'd consider it art. Making a statement with your clothing, for example.
What about aesthetic forms in nature? Fractal geometry for instance, something that can absolutely instill some emotion or idea in someone, is essentially nothing more than looped mathematical functions.

I wouldn't consider that art. Art necessitates artistic intention.