Arguing with older conservatives about legalizing pot

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Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.


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Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.

You know that people will forever be contrary right? There's no possible way to get 100% consensus from people in anything. I pondered something on drugs a while back.

Set up a system where all drugs are technically legal once you reach legal age, not unlike alcohol. With an exception. You show up at an office and sign a legally binding contract that you take full responsability for your actions and drug use, and thereby accept that you will recieve no medical aid if you become addicted or injured due to your drug use.

It's not a fully fleshed out thought. But I think it's one that could appease two sides as oppossed to having to fight one over the other.


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.
no medical aid if you become addicted
Addicts need aid. If they were treated like ailing patients more so than criminals, a lot of them would be more open to try kicking their addiction.

Of course, then they have to deal with doctors putting them on suboxone, methadone, and benzodiazpines, only to have them become addicted those medications instead.


 
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Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.
no medical aid if you become addicted
Addicts need aid. If they were treated like ailing patients more so than criminals, a lot of them would be more open to try kicking their addiction.
If you get to that point, you can rot, suffer, and die for all I or anyone else should care.


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Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.
no medical aid if you become addicted
Addicts need aid. If they were treated like ailing patients more so than criminals, a lot of them would be more open to try kicking their addiction.

Of course, then they have to deal with doctors putting them on suboxone, methadone, and benzodiazpines, only to have them become addicted those medications instead.

Call it harsh but I'm sorry. People sign up willingly for drugs when they know damn well what the cost will be. In this day and age there's programs and information and a million reasons why not to delve into the world of drugs. If you walk through that door willingly then as far as I'm concerned, you forfeit aid or remorse.

The only exception to this I hold is for people who become addicted unwillingly, as there's scummy mother fuckers out there that do that to people.


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.
no medical aid if you become addicted
Addicts need aid. If they were treated like ailing patients more so than criminals, a lot of them would be more open to try kicking their addiction.
If you get to that point, you can rot, suffer, and die for all I or anyone else should care.
Doctors mistreat many patients who are none-the-wiser allowing them to become addicted to synthetic opiods and benzodiazepines throughout this country. Are you suggesting these people, having been mistreated by the medical professionals they are supposed to be able to trust, deserve their suffering and possibly even death for having been lead to the point of addiction?


 
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Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.
no medical aid if you become addicted
Addicts need aid. If they were treated like ailing patients more so than criminals, a lot of them would be more open to try kicking their addiction.
If you get to that point, you can rot, suffer, and die for all I or anyone else should care.
Doctors mistreat many patients who are none-the-wiser allowing them to become addicted to synthetic opiods and benzodiazepines throughout this country. Are you suggesting these people, having been mistreated by the medical professionals they are supposed to be able to trust, deserve their suffering and possibly even death for having been lead to the point of addiction?
"Does this contrived exception to your rule count as a contrived exception to your rule?"

What do you think?


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Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.
no medical aid if you become addicted
Addicts need aid. If they were treated like ailing patients more so than criminals, a lot of them would be more open to try kicking their addiction.
If you get to that point, you can rot, suffer, and die for all I or anyone else should care.
Doctors mistreat many patients who are none-the-wiser allowing them to become addicted to synthetic opiods and benzodiazepines throughout this country. Are you suggesting these people, having been mistreated by the medical professionals they are supposed to be able to trust, deserve their suffering and possibly even death for having been lead to the point of addiction?

Key note, I said there's an exception to those who undergo the whole mess unwillingly.

As for those docs that perpetrate that crap? You take them out back, and you shoot them. No bullshit, no suspensions or pay cuts or short trips to prison.


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Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.
no medical aid if you become addicted
Addicts need aid. If they were treated like ailing patients more so than criminals, a lot of them would be more open to try kicking their addiction.

Of course, then they have to deal with doctors putting them on suboxone, methadone, and benzodiazpines, only to have them become addicted those medications instead.

Call it harsh but I'm sorry. People sign up willingly for drugs when they know damn well what the cost will be. In this day and age there's programs and information and a million reasons why not to delve into the world of drugs. If you walk through that door willingly then as far as I'm concerned, you forfeit aid or remorse.

The only exception to this I hold is for people who become addicted unwillingly, as there's scummy mother fuckers out there that do that to people.
Nobody who loses a foot to krokodil got there by going, "Gosh golly gee, I sure would like to get hooked on some synthetic heroin!"


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Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.
no medical aid if you become addicted
Addicts need aid. If they were treated like ailing patients more so than criminals, a lot of them would be more open to try kicking their addiction.
If you get to that point, you can rot, suffer, and die for all I or anyone else should care.
Doctors mistreat many patients who are none-the-wiser allowing them to become addicted to synthetic opiods and benzodiazepines throughout this country. Are you suggesting these people, having been mistreated by the medical professionals they are supposed to be able to trust, deserve their suffering and possibly even death for having been lead to the point of addiction?

Key note, I said there's an exception to those who undergo the whole mess unwillingly.

As for those docs that perpetrate that crap? You take them out back, and you shoot them. No bullshit, no suspensions or pay cuts or short trips to prison.
God damn you niggas is crazy


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.
no medical aid if you become addicted
Addicts need aid. If they were treated like ailing patients more so than criminals, a lot of them would be more open to try kicking their addiction.
If you get to that point, you can rot, suffer, and die for all I or anyone else should care.
Doctors mistreat many patients who are none-the-wiser allowing them to become addicted to synthetic opiods and benzodiazepines throughout this country. Are you suggesting these people, having been mistreated by the medical professionals they are supposed to be able to trust, deserve their suffering and possibly even death for having been lead to the point of addiction?
"Does this contrived exception to your rule count as a contrived exception to your rule?"

What do you think?
How is something that is very real contrived? You didn't specify so I asked.


 
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Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.
no medical aid if you become addicted
Addicts need aid. If they were treated like ailing patients more so than criminals, a lot of them would be more open to try kicking their addiction.
If you get to that point, you can rot, suffer, and die for all I or anyone else should care.
Doctors mistreat many patients who are none-the-wiser allowing them to become addicted to synthetic opiods and benzodiazepines throughout this country. Are you suggesting these people, having been mistreated by the medical professionals they are supposed to be able to trust, deserve their suffering and possibly even death for having been lead to the point of addiction?
"Does this contrived exception to your rule count as a contrived exception to your rule?"

What do you think?
How is something that is very real contrived? You didn't specify so I asked.
It should be a given that people who had their addictions imposed on them wouldn't count. I should not have to specify that.


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.
no medical aid if you become addicted
Addicts need aid. If they were treated like ailing patients more so than criminals, a lot of them would be more open to try kicking their addiction.
If you get to that point, you can rot, suffer, and die for all I or anyone else should care.
Doctors mistreat many patients who are none-the-wiser allowing them to become addicted to synthetic opiods and benzodiazepines throughout this country. Are you suggesting these people, having been mistreated by the medical professionals they are supposed to be able to trust, deserve their suffering and possibly even death for having been lead to the point of addiction?

Key note, I said there's an exception to those who undergo the whole mess unwillingly.

As for those docs that perpetrate that crap? You take them out back, and you shoot them. No bullshit, no suspensions or pay cuts or short trips to prison.
I was busy replying when you posted that

A lot of people are lead into addiction with prescriptions first, and then end up on illicit substances to keep withdrawal away. Rationality and logic are set aside when addiction reaches a certain point.

I pity addicts, but I would never demonize them. It's a miserable existence and they have enough suffering for me to keep from hating or scorning them.
Last Edit: December 06, 2016, 02:40:24 AM by Aether


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.
no medical aid if you become addicted
Addicts need aid. If they were treated like ailing patients more so than criminals, a lot of them would be more open to try kicking their addiction.
If you get to that point, you can rot, suffer, and die for all I or anyone else should care.
Doctors mistreat many patients who are none-the-wiser allowing them to become addicted to synthetic opiods and benzodiazepines throughout this country. Are you suggesting these people, having been mistreated by the medical professionals they are supposed to be able to trust, deserve their suffering and possibly even death for having been lead to the point of addiction?
"Does this contrived exception to your rule count as a contrived exception to your rule?"

What do you think?
How is something that is very real contrived? You didn't specify so I asked.
It should be a given that people who had their addictions imposed on them wouldn't count. I should not have to specify that.
Yes for someone with an average sense of ethics and morality. I've never perceived you to have an average sense of those things, however. Not to say you're malicious or anything.


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Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.
no medical aid if you become addicted
Addicts need aid. If they were treated like ailing patients more so than criminals, a lot of them would be more open to try kicking their addiction.
If you get to that point, you can rot, suffer, and die for all I or anyone else should care.
Doctors mistreat many patients who are none-the-wiser allowing them to become addicted to synthetic opiods and benzodiazepines throughout this country. Are you suggesting these people, having been mistreated by the medical professionals they are supposed to be able to trust, deserve their suffering and possibly even death for having been lead to the point of addiction?

Key note, I said there's an exception to those who undergo the whole mess unwillingly.

As for those docs that perpetrate that crap? You take them out back, and you shoot them. No bullshit, no suspensions or pay cuts or short trips to prison.
God damn you niggas is crazy

Maybe so. But the same could be said of being too leniant.


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Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.
no medical aid if you become addicted
Addicts need aid. If they were treated like ailing patients more so than criminals, a lot of them would be more open to try kicking their addiction.
If you get to that point, you can rot, suffer, and die for all I or anyone else should care.
Doctors mistreat many patients who are none-the-wiser allowing them to become addicted to synthetic opiods and benzodiazepines throughout this country. Are you suggesting these people, having been mistreated by the medical professionals they are supposed to be able to trust, deserve their suffering and possibly even death for having been lead to the point of addiction?

Key note, I said there's an exception to those who undergo the whole mess unwillingly.

As for those docs that perpetrate that crap? You take them out back, and you shoot them. No bullshit, no suspensions or pay cuts or short trips to prison.
I was busy replying when you posted that

A lot of people are lead into addiction with prescriptions first, and then end up on illicit substances to keep withdrawal away. Rationality and logic are set aside when addiction reaches a certain point.

I pity addicts, but I would never demonize them. It's a miserable existence and they have enough suffering for me to keep from hating or scorning them.

Keep in mind my idea wasn't fleshed out. It was a stray thought one day. I'm aware of all the complexities that come when you discuss drug addiction. There's more than one angle at play. Any sort of legal document would have to have exceptions for people who end up in situations as you describe.

And as for those docs, like I said, you shoot them and be done with it. Or, you put them in prison and you skip the parole. This touches on another problem today. While our medical care has indeed grown better than it was, it seems to have lost something along the way as well.


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Okay well, uh

It's also really fuckin' easy to get weed right now

Yep. Build the wall, secure the border. Crack down on drug trafficking so we can focus on getting rid of the home grown stuff.
But why, nigga?

For what purpose, Master Chief?

Drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad. The only reason why prohibition didn't work is because they flipped a switch instead of easing the populace into it. Those in power werw also not entirely supportive of it. Values the country reflect from the values of our president.

People have a right to consume whatever substance they wish. Who are you to dictate what people can ingest? Do you want to ban unhealthy food, too? It makes people fat


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On the subject of docs and medical care. I've had to pass along through more docs than I care for. And, this isn't to say that all the doctors out there are soulless money grubbers that dole out pills for every problem they encounter. I think it's just so commonplace today and so enforced and normalized that modern doctors today don't have much of a choice in how they can actually go about treating a patient.

But out of all the doctors I've seen, there's only ever been one who really fit the bill of what I think it means to be a doctor. This guy is overworked to hell and on station almost all days of the year. His time is very limited. None the less, when you go to see him with a problem, he listens.

He doesn't dole out pills automatically like so many others do. He actually has a discussion with you about what's wrong, tries to get down to the core of it, and suggests what you can do yourself to help fix it if you're able to. If he does dole out pills, he informs you of all the possible issues you could have and what to watch out for, and if he's able, tries to find alternatives if you don't want to go that route.

That to me is what all docs should try to be like. He goes out of his way to help.


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>"Brain damage" is a bit severe. Also, so does alcohol. Just limit it by age like every other federally regulated substance.

While good on paper, this doesn't conform to reality. Teens have an easier access to cigarettes than alcohol, of which weed will most likely be sold at the age of 18 as well. In addition, alcohol is harder to consume. Unless your an alcoholic, you general don't down 4 beers a day, especially if you're a teen. However, a teen easily smokes a pack of cigs a day and could easily smoke 4 blunts a day. Alcohol is a liquid substance, so the average teen isn't likely to drink their brain away, although it does happen. It is much easier to do with weed.

Four blunts a day is outrageous. When I smoked everyday it was two or three blunts shared between at least two people. I take it you've never actually smoked weed?


 
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Do you want to ban unhealthy food, too? It makes people fat

If you eat a slice of cake, you can workout and be perfectly healthy.

If you get addicted to meth, that causes irreversible damage to your body.

Saying these two are the same is a straw-man to try and prove a point, but it fails.


 
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It's not the government's job to save me from myself.  Ban-happy soccer moms get the fuck out of my America


I really, really, really like this image.

Me too! Save it, it's all yours my friend :)


Cindy | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
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Is Cindy one of those good looking traps
No, I'm just a good looking guy because I'm pre-everything, unfortunately


Dopameme | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
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Your love gets me so high
all imma say is idk why marijuana is illegal when alcohol and cigarettes are legal, considering that y'know being drunk and being high are basically the same thing, and that cigs slowly kill you
but being drunk and being high are two completely different sensations :o


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Your love gets me so high
also, the only argument needed for pro-legalization is the state of Colorado giving money back to its citizens because of the insane amounts of tax revenue coming from legal pot