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[Aladdin] Where was Ali Ababwa the prince of?
Did Genie magic a country into existence, insert him into some royal family, or was it all just an elaborate show? Genies always seem to actually grant wishes, so he must be a prince of something.
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That's something that always bothered me. Aladdin specifically wished to be made a Prince - not "look like", the real thing. So why does the Genie keep bothering him to "Tell her the TRUTH!" when Ali really is a prince? And if he isn't, why didn't the Genie make him one? This is all on the blue guy.
At first, Aladdin was a fake prince (Genie's act, convincing the city with the big song/facade), but because of the "in" that being a fake prince provided, he was later able to marry Jasmine and become a real prince. Genie made Ali Ababwa the prince of Agrabah itself (in the long run), that's the genius & obvious answer to this oft recited criticism of the movie.

Genie insisted he "tell her the truth" because that's how he got Jasmine to love him, accept him, and marry him - therefore fulfilling the wish of becoming a prince. I really wish reddit didn't close commenting after a year, because it's annoying to see this go unanswered when the question doesn't even bother to think about what happened in the film.
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I'm trying to figure out what year Aladdin is set in

No cars, guards use swords... but the Genie turns into what looks like a german submarine







 
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I'm trying to figure out what year Aladdin is set in

No cars, guards use swords... but the Genie turns into what looks like a german submarine


that's part of what makes the Genie so surreal, otherworldly, and powerful - he's the only character in the film that makes those anachronistic references to things that haven't happened yet


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oh boy it's almost as if these things don't matter cos it's a cartoon


 
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Imagine thinking this hard about a fucking children's cartoon


 
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oh boy it's almost as if these things don't matter cos it's a cartoon
Imagine thinking this hard about a fucking children's cartoon
hahaha I knew these posts were coming

Disney is an awesome company and they write great stories, they intend their films for children and adults


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
oh boy it's almost as if these things don't matter cos it's a cartoon
Imagine thinking this hard about a fucking children's cartoon
hahaha I knew these posts were coming

Disney is an awesome company and they write great stories, they intend their films for children and adults
Walt Disney was a pedophile nazi


 
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oh boy it's almost as if these things don't matter cos it's a cartoon
Imagine thinking this hard about a fucking children's cartoon
hahaha I knew these posts were coming

Disney is an awesome company and they write great stories, they intend their films for children and adults
Walt Disney was a pedophile nazi
That's great!

He's dead, you know!


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
oh boy it's almost as if these things don't matter cos it's a cartoon
Imagine thinking this hard about a fucking children's cartoon
hahaha I knew these posts were coming

Disney is an awesome company and they write great stories, they intend their films for children and adults
Walt Disney was a pedophile nazi
That's great!

He's dead, you know!
He was the company. When he was alive was when most of the cartoons were made, and there were a lot of visual references to Hitler and Nazis, as well as a lot of other racist portrayals of different races. One that comes to mind is the beginning of Dumbo where the black workers building the circus in the rain are portrayed as these large almost gorilla like figures with big lips and small eyes.

So no, I wouldn't call Disney a great company and a lot of their work is highly overrated, to the point where the stuff I just mentioned is overlooked or outright ignored because of their "classic" status or that "it was a different time".
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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe disney cartoon w/ magic carpets and genies


 
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oh boy it's almost as if these things don't matter cos it's a cartoon
Imagine thinking this hard about a fucking children's cartoon
hahaha I knew these posts were coming

Disney is an awesome company and they write great stories, they intend their films for children and adults
Walt Disney was a pedophile nazi
That's great!

He's dead, you know!
He was the company. When he was alive was when most of the cartoons were made, and there were a lot of visual references to Hitler and Nazis, as well as a lot of other racist portrayals of different races. One that comes to mind is the beginning of Dumbo where the black workers building the circus in the rain are portrayed as these large almost gorilla like figures with big lips and small eyes.

So no, I wouldn't call Disney a great company and a lot of their work is highly overrated, to the point where the stuff I just mentioned is overlooked or outright ignored because of their "classic" status or that "it was a different time".
Well, it was. Do we discredit all art because the artist was born in a bad time, and that time is reflected on their work? Besides, the golden age of Disney occured well after his death (late 80s-current).


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
oh boy it's almost as if these things don't matter cos it's a cartoon
Imagine thinking this hard about a fucking children's cartoon
hahaha I knew these posts were coming

Disney is an awesome company and they write great stories, they intend their films for children and adults
Walt Disney was a pedophile nazi
That's great!

He's dead, you know!
He was the company. When he was alive was when most of the cartoons were made, and there were a lot of visual references to Hitler and Nazis, as well as a lot of other racist portrayals of different races. One that comes to mind is the beginning of Dumbo where the black workers building the circus in the rain are portrayed as these large almost gorilla like figures with big lips and small eyes.

So no, I wouldn't call Disney a great company and a lot of their work is highly overrated, to the point where the stuff I just mentioned is overlooked or outright ignored because of their "classic" status or that "it was a different time".
Well, it was. Do we discredit all art because the artist was born in a bad time, and that time is reflected on their work? Besides, the golden age of Disney occured well after his death (late 80s-current).
These are horrible excuses for being a racist. There are plenty of cultures thousands of years older that didn't portray other races as animals. The fact is, there is no excuse. Making references to Hitler and supporting the Nazis is not "being born in a bad time", it's being a piece of fucking trash. You're talking as if Walt Disney was a German in Germany and feared for his life if he didn't paint Hitler in a good light. He was an American in America, a country that (I'm not sure if you're aware of this) waged a war on the Nazis. He had absolutely no excuse for that, and he had none for portraying blacks as gorillas. It doesn't matter what year it was, that's a conscious decision to degrade other human beings.

Also, the majority of the classic Disney cartoons were created under Walt Disney. I don't care when the supposed "golden age" was, that's irrelevant.

And they have never publicly atoned or apologized for any of this as far as I'm aware.
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not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe disney cartoon w/ magic carpets and genies
This is always a weird argument. Yes, some narrative universes have aspects that are more ridiculous than ours, but any good universe is internally consistent. Look at Harry Potter, it's crazy to us that there's magic, vampires, and mythical creatures, but the universe makes sense with the rules it created. Aladdin is the same way, and at first it looked like Genie didn't grant Aladdin's wish at all (breaking the rules they set up for their universe), but he in fact did, just in a clever way.


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disney are shit but they did put out one of the best star wars films last year


 
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disney are shit but they did put out one of the best star wars films last year

Pretty low bar


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.


Funny how the most appropriate response to this comment comes from that absolute dumpster fire of a movie.

but they did put out one of the best star wars films last year


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Funny how the most appropriate response to this comment comes from that absolute dumpster fire of a movie.

but they did put out one of the best star wars films last year

Uhh, I thought it was pretty great after the first half.


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
Visuals were nice, great camera work, unfortunately that's all I can say about it positively.

Oh and Kylo did literally nothing wrong, not even fucking memeing here.

Uhh, I thought it was pretty great after the first half.


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Visuals were nice, great camera work, unfortunately that's all I can say about it positively.

Oh and Kylo did literally nothing wrong, not even fucking memeing here.

Uhh, I thought it was pretty great after the first half.

Kylo and Rey's dynamic is the best part of the film


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
It was good up until the end, I hope it's salvaged in Episode IX but seeing how fucking JJ Abrams is now behind that I doubt it. What made it good is that they were good foils to each other and brought Rey off her Mary Sue pedestal a little ("You're nothing, you come from nothing, your parents sold you off when you were little"). However, they threw it all out the window at the end; apparently it's wrong to learn hard truths and not glue yourself to the past among other things. Completely vilifying him and making him out to be 100% in the wrong/the bad guy throws away his humanity and what makes us relate to him as a character, what makes us LIKE him, because he did a damn good job of that for the entirety of the film; he was the only character that did that. He's just that dumb evil Sith we can't relate to now, they took away the moral grey from him and her, throwing their dynamic out the window.

Kylo and Rey's dynamic is the best part of the film


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It was good up until the end, I hope it's salvaged in Episode IX but seeing how fucking JJ Abrams is now behind that I doubt it. What made it good is that they were good foils to each other and brought Rey off her Mary Sue pedestal a little ("You're nothing, you come from nothing, your parents sold you off when you were little"). However, they threw it all out the window at the end; apparently it's wrong to learn hard truths and not glue yourself to the past among other things. Completely vilifying him and making him out to be 100% in the wrong/the bad guy throws away his humanity and what makes us relate to him as a character, what makes us LIKE him, because he did a damn good job of that for the entirety of the film; he was the only character that did that. He's just that dumb evil Sith we can't relate to now, they took away the moral grey from him and her, throwing their dynamic out the window.

Kylo and Rey's dynamic is the best part of the film

I still think they left it pretty open to interpretation, I didn't leave thinking that he was just a big bad now. He is still very much a Vader character and he can still be brought back to the light.


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oh boy it's almost as if these things don't matter cos it's a cartoon
Imagine thinking this hard about a fucking children's cartoon
hahaha I knew these posts were coming

Disney is an awesome company and they write great stories, they intend their films for children and adults
Walt Disney was a pedophile nazi
That's great!

He's dead, you know!
you'd like to believe that


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