While watching Mr. Plinkett tear apart the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy, I found myself agreeing with him 99% of the time.  One of the points he brings up that I like is the total lack of emotion.  It doesn't help that the writing in the Prequel Trilogy is a complete joke compared to the Original Trilogy, and it makes you wonder what happened to George Lucas in the years following Return of the Jedi.

Take for example the Luke vs Vader fight.



There's a lot of emotion going into this fight.  Luke doesn't want to fight Vader and really just wants to turn him back to the Light Side.  He doesn't fight to kill and even deactivates his lightsaber right in front of his father.  He just keeps trying to convince his father that he does have good in him, and only goes in to try and kill Vader when Vader rustles his jimmies regarding his sister.

But even after disarming his father and being goaded by Emperor Sheev to kill Vader and become his new Right Hand, Luke instead tosses his lightsaber to the side and pledges his full allegiance to the Jedi.  After an enraged Emperor Sheev tries to kill him, Vader has an inner turmoil in his head about whether he should help out his sour, grumpy master or save his Gary Sue son.

He ends up turning on Sheev and tosses him down the hole.  SAYONARA SHEEV.

To add up to this, we have a musical number and emotional tone that helps set the mood.  You can tell that Luke doesn't want to fight and keeps holding back to prevent his own fall to the Dark Side while pulling his father back.


Then compare it to....this.



Emotionless and dull.

Yes, the fight is much better choreographed.  But holy shit I don't know how something could look so cool but be completely empty and devoid of any emotion.

Seriously, the lead-up to the fight isn't foreboding, and neither does it build tension like in the Luke vs Vader fight.  It literally goes like this:

Obi-Wan:  "Anakin you're being bad."

Anakain:  "Obi-Wan I hate you."

Obi-Wan:  "Okay, let's fight."

That's it.  Obi-Wan doesn't even fucking try to convince Anakin to come back to the Light, he goes after Anakin with the intent to kill him, scolds him like a child, then proceeds to fight him.  For 9 fucking minutes they just wave their lightsabers around, do a balancing act on a pipe as thin as Tara Reid, and have an irrelevant shouting match over a lava stream.  I'll give credit, Obi-Wan actually admitted he failed Anakin.  But that's the only emotional connection that we could remotely feel in that fight.  Otherwise, it was just two guys fighting each other.

Another thing:  Are we really supposed to be seeing two friends fighting?  I don't see that.  Throughout all three movies, Anakin and Obi-Wan just seem to do nothing but fire pot shots at each other and get pissed off at one another.  Sure they share a couple jokes, but that's it.  All of their "We're best friends" stuff happens off-screen in between the movies.


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Emperor Shiev

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It's spelt Sheev, by the way.

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Palpatine was not given a first name in any canonical or "Star Wars Legends" sources until 2014, when the character's first name—Sheev—was revealed in the novel Tarkin, written by James Luceno.[1] The Lucasfilm Story Group approached Del Rey Books and asked if they wanted to use the name, which was created by George Lucas, in the Tarkin novel, to which Del Rey agreed.[4]

And I  misspelled it, fuck

I don't like sand

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Palpatine was not given a first name in any canonical or "Star Wars Legends" sources until 2014, when the character's first name—Sheev—was revealed in the novel Tarkin, written by James Luceno.[1] The Lucasfilm Story Group approached Del Rey Books and asked if they wanted to use the name, which was created by George Lucas, in the Tarkin novel, to which Del Rey agreed.[4]

And I  misspelled it, fuck

Okay, why are you using his first name? That's not really how titles work.

But on topic, while I love Plinkett reviews, I really disagree that the fight lacked emotion. It wasn't subtle, but I really enjoyed the imagery of the fires in the background, fighting on platforms that are literally melting away; it's a great (if overbearing) metaphor for their relationship, for Anakin's light side, and for the whole prophecy. I enjoy the fight, and without any words you can see the strain it's taking on Obi-Wan. I really like that a lot of each other's style is mirrored in the other, and the few parts where their technique syncs up exactly, while a bit cheesy, are the most emotional points of the fight.

I love the ESB fight, and I love this fight, for different reasons. There was never going to be any suspense in the finale of the Episode 3; we know Vader gets dismembered, we know Obi-Wan survives, and we know Padme dies. My biggest complaint about Episode 3 is how suddenly Anakin devolves into Vader; the fight on Mustafar really nails that descent into madness, and I think this fight should have been the climax of the film, with Vader then carrying out the invasion of the Temple.

i didn't think it was sudden at all

he was showing shades of vaderism as far back as the middle of episode ii

Of course, but there's a huge leap between killing a bunch of sub-humans torturing his mother and killing a mentor then slaughtering children.

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Palpatine was not given a first name in any canonical or "Star Wars Legends" sources until 2014, when the character's first name—Sheev—was revealed in the novel Tarkin, written by James Luceno.[1] The Lucasfilm Story Group approached Del Rey Books and asked if they wanted to use the name, which was created by George Lucas, in the Tarkin novel, to which Del Rey agreed.[4]

And I  misspelled it, fuck

Okay, why are you using his first name? That's not really how titles work.

Because it's a hilarious first name and I don't think Palpatine's first name should've just been dropped like that.  Idk, it just feels like it got rid of his air of mystery, and I can't take a name like "Sheev" seriously.

Because it's a hilarious first name and I don't think Palpatine's first name should've just been dropped like that.  Idk, it just feels like it got rid of his air of mystery, and I can't take a name like "Sheev" seriously.

Yeah, I kind of liked it when he had no first name, and 'Sheev' is pretty terrible.

who gives a fuck

why does that mean he shouldn't have a first name

A reminder that we're talking about this guy:

lolwut? Ani vs Obi has plenty of emotion in it. Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean there isn't.

That's like saying you don't like the color blue, so blue doesn't exist.

Try harder next time.

which is a good point to bring up because a lot of people treat his reviews as gospel truth

lolwut? Ani vs Obi has plenty of emotion in it. Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean there isn't.

That's like saying you don't like the color blue, so blue doesn't exist.

Try harder next time.

What kind of emotion, aside from two grown ass men who get pussy at each other going into a duel...just because?

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A reminder that we're talking about this guy:

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Big deal, he uses humor in his reviews. He's playing a character, you know...

I know, he's hilarious. But that's the point, he's there to rile people up; he's not the word of law on what is and isn't good film content.

Exactly.

The majority of his reviews consist of his dark humor and him comparing the three movies to other films that have nothing to do with, or even resemble the franchise in anyway. His actual points are made in segments 15 minutes apart from each other, to the point that he's used so much nonsense in between, it makes it seem like he's trying to form a constructive argument, when in reality it falls flat on it's face.

EDIT: Gonna get back to my thread about those reviews

You obviously never watched his reviews then if you believe this.