Am i now a valid trans girl because I can say "I'm on hormones"? Seems silly

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Well tbh you'll never be a girl

well yeah, but I know that I won't/can't be
Why the hell not? If I can transition then hell yes you can. You look so much better than me already.
Nono, it's that no one can just become a boy or a girl biologically
The fact that I've been on both sides, essentially, and have seen the actual, noticeable changes in my mood and judgment, leads me to believe that yes, I am a woman.
No, no you have not.
That is 100% placebic.

Anti-androgens work very slowly, and will take several weeks, two in the very least (and then only if you weight like 100lbs) to even begin to suppress testosterone production.

Your brain chemistry hasn't changed just because there's estrogen in there either. It isn't some kind of hard drug that you can feel hit you in a couple of hours, it will take around a week, maybe more for the increased levels to have any effect on your body whatsoever.

It will probably take three months, not three days for your brain to reflect female-like neurological patterns.

Don't get too excited and trick yourself into thinking that you're suddenly a different person because you've got these drugs.
First of all, I immediately did double what my prescription said to do, because doctors will always start you off on the lowest possible dose for liability reasons. I know my body, and I know how big I am, so I'm running two patches and two pills per morning.

And oh damn man, you can't possibly imagine how different I feel. You aren't even on HRT so please don't tell me I can't feel them effects.
It does take longer than a few days. I felt a difference probably 1.5 to 2 weeks in. It’s probably placebo if it’s been a few days.
wait are you supposed to feel a difference? Granted I'm only 2.5 weeks in, and all I feel is less depressed and cloudy-minded
that's normal after around three weeks, yes

other than thinking more clearly (although I think my judgement is inferior now), after a few months I started experiencing arousal very differently

not a lot really changes, and you mostly remain yourself
aka - useless

I dont care about looking different, people wont treat me like a girl because I start looking like a mangirl with boobs. I want to feel the way a girl feels but I guess nope that's not even a thing

so glad I checked in with sep7 today

what the fuck is that supposed to mean

if you didn't already feel like a girl then you aren't trans
I thought the whole point of this thread was that drugs don't make you trans
I dont really know what I feel like tho.  Unable to be a girl, unfit to be a guy


 
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frankly i don't know why anyone cares about their gender to begin with


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Well tbh you'll never be a girl

well yeah, but I know that I won't/can't be
Why the hell not? If I can transition then hell yes you can. You look so much better than me already.
Nono, it's that no one can just become a boy or a girl biologically
The fact that I've been on both sides, essentially, and have seen the actual, noticeable changes in my mood and judgment, leads me to believe that yes, I am a woman.
No, no you have not.
That is 100% placebic.

Anti-androgens work very slowly, and will take several weeks, two in the very least (and then only if you weight like 100lbs) to even begin to suppress testosterone production.

Your brain chemistry hasn't changed just because there's estrogen in there either. It isn't some kind of hard drug that you can feel hit you in a couple of hours, it will take around a week, maybe more for the increased levels to have any effect on your body whatsoever.

It will probably take three months, not three days for your brain to reflect female-like neurological patterns.

Don't get too excited and trick yourself into thinking that you're suddenly a different person because you've got these drugs.
First of all, I immediately did double what my prescription said to do, because doctors will always start you off on the lowest possible dose for liability reasons. I know my body, and I know how big I am, so I'm running two patches and two pills per morning.

And oh damn man, you can't possibly imagine how different I feel. You aren't even on HRT so please don't tell me I can't feel them effects.
It does take longer than a few days. I felt a difference probably 1.5 to 2 weeks in. It’s probably placebo if it’s been a few days.
wait are you supposed to feel a difference? Granted I'm only 2.5 weeks in, and all I feel is less depressed and cloudy-minded
that's normal after around three weeks, yes

other than thinking more clearly (although I think my judgement is inferior now), after a few months I started experiencing arousal very differently

not a lot really changes, and you mostly remain yourself
aka - useless

I dont care about looking different, people wont treat me like a girl because I start looking like a mangirl with boobs. I want to feel the way a girl feels but I guess nope that's not even a thing

so glad I checked in with sep7 today

what the fuck is that supposed to mean

if you didn't already feel like a girl then you aren't trans
I thought the whole point of this thread was that drugs don't make you trans
I dont really know what I feel like tho.  Unable to be a girl, unfit to be a guy
pretty much this

cis girls won, we lost - end of story

cool people like sol and cheat won too I guess, and all those zoomer early transitioners

not people like us


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frankly i don't know why anyone cares about their gender to begin with
As someone who's already content with their gender, is a man, and has tons of hatred for others in his heart, I wouldn't know why either


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Well tbh you'll never be a girl

well yeah, but I know that I won't/can't be
Why the hell not? If I can transition then hell yes you can. You look so much better than me already.
Nono, it's that no one can just become a boy or a girl biologically
The fact that I've been on both sides, essentially, and have seen the actual, noticeable changes in my mood and judgment, leads me to believe that yes, I am a woman.
No, no you have not.
That is 100% placebic.

Anti-androgens work very slowly, and will take several weeks, two in the very least (and then only if you weight like 100lbs) to even begin to suppress testosterone production.

Your brain chemistry hasn't changed just because there's estrogen in there either. It isn't some kind of hard drug that you can feel hit you in a couple of hours, it will take around a week, maybe more for the increased levels to have any effect on your body whatsoever.

It will probably take three months, not three days for your brain to reflect female-like neurological patterns.

Don't get too excited and trick yourself into thinking that you're suddenly a different person because you've got these drugs.
First of all, I immediately did double what my prescription said to do, because doctors will always start you off on the lowest possible dose for liability reasons. I know my body, and I know how big I am, so I'm running two patches and two pills per morning.

And oh damn man, you can't possibly imagine how different I feel. You aren't even on HRT so please don't tell me I can't feel them effects.
It does take longer than a few days. I felt a difference probably 1.5 to 2 weeks in. It’s probably placebo if it’s been a few days.
wait are you supposed to feel a difference? Granted I'm only 2.5 weeks in, and all I feel is less depressed and cloudy-minded
that's normal after around three weeks, yes

other than thinking more clearly (although I think my judgement is inferior now), after a few months I started experiencing arousal very differently

not a lot really changes, and you mostly remain yourself
aka - useless

I dont care about looking different, people wont treat me like a girl because I start looking like a mangirl with boobs. I want to feel the way a girl feels but I guess nope that's not even a thing

so glad I checked in with sep7 today

what the fuck is that supposed to mean

if you didn't already feel like a girl then you aren't trans
I thought the whole point of this thread was that drugs don't make you trans
I dont really know what I feel like tho.  Unable to be a girl, unfit to be a guy
pretty much this

cis girls won, we lost - end of story

cool people like sol and cheat won too I guess, and all those zoomer early transitioners

not people like us

nigga im still cute and have a chance, dont drag me down


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Well tbh you'll never be a girl

well yeah, but I know that I won't/can't be
Why the hell not? If I can transition then hell yes you can. You look so much better than me already.
Nono, it's that no one can just become a boy or a girl biologically
The fact that I've been on both sides, essentially, and have seen the actual, noticeable changes in my mood and judgment, leads me to believe that yes, I am a woman.
No, no you have not.
That is 100% placebic.

Anti-androgens work very slowly, and will take several weeks, two in the very least (and then only if you weight like 100lbs) to even begin to suppress testosterone production.

Your brain chemistry hasn't changed just because there's estrogen in there either. It isn't some kind of hard drug that you can feel hit you in a couple of hours, it will take around a week, maybe more for the increased levels to have any effect on your body whatsoever.

It will probably take three months, not three days for your brain to reflect female-like neurological patterns.

Don't get too excited and trick yourself into thinking that you're suddenly a different person because you've got these drugs.
First of all, I immediately did double what my prescription said to do, because doctors will always start you off on the lowest possible dose for liability reasons. I know my body, and I know how big I am, so I'm running two patches and two pills per morning.

And oh damn man, you can't possibly imagine how different I feel. You aren't even on HRT so please don't tell me I can't feel them effects.
It does take longer than a few days. I felt a difference probably 1.5 to 2 weeks in. It’s probably placebo if it’s been a few days.
wait are you supposed to feel a difference? Granted I'm only 2.5 weeks in, and all I feel is less depressed and cloudy-minded
that's normal after around three weeks, yes

other than thinking more clearly (although I think my judgement is inferior now), after a few months I started experiencing arousal very differently

not a lot really changes, and you mostly remain yourself
aka - useless

I dont care about looking different, people wont treat me like a girl because I start looking like a mangirl with boobs. I want to feel the way a girl feels but I guess nope that's not even a thing

so glad I checked in with sep7 today

what the fuck is that supposed to mean

if you didn't already feel like a girl then you aren't trans
I thought the whole point of this thread was that drugs don't make you trans
I dont really know what I feel like tho.  Unable to be a girl, unfit to be a guy
pretty much this

cis girls won, we lost - end of story

cool people like sol and cheat won too I guess, and all those zoomer early transitioners

not people like us

nigga im still cute and have a chance, dont drag me down
true - my mistake and my bad

just a projection thing, you're good dw


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Well tbh you'll never be a girl

well yeah, but I know that I won't/can't be
Why the hell not? If I can transition then hell yes you can. You look so much better than me already.
Nono, it's that no one can just become a boy or a girl biologically
The fact that I've been on both sides, essentially, and have seen the actual, noticeable changes in my mood and judgment, leads me to believe that yes, I am a woman.
No, no you have not.
That is 100% placebic.

Anti-androgens work very slowly, and will take several weeks, two in the very least (and then only if you weight like 100lbs) to even begin to suppress testosterone production.

Your brain chemistry hasn't changed just because there's estrogen in there either. It isn't some kind of hard drug that you can feel hit you in a couple of hours, it will take around a week, maybe more for the increased levels to have any effect on your body whatsoever.

It will probably take three months, not three days for your brain to reflect female-like neurological patterns.

Don't get too excited and trick yourself into thinking that you're suddenly a different person because you've got these drugs.
First of all, I immediately did double what my prescription said to do, because doctors will always start you off on the lowest possible dose for liability reasons. I know my body, and I know how big I am, so I'm running two patches and two pills per morning.

And oh damn man, you can't possibly imagine how different I feel. You aren't even on HRT so please don't tell me I can't feel them effects.
It does take longer than a few days. I felt a difference probably 1.5 to 2 weeks in. It’s probably placebo if it’s been a few days.
wait are you supposed to feel a difference? Granted I'm only 2.5 weeks in, and all I feel is less depressed and cloudy-minded
that's normal after around three weeks, yes

other than thinking more clearly (although I think my judgement is inferior now), after a few months I started experiencing arousal very differently

not a lot really changes, and you mostly remain yourself
aka - useless

I dont care about looking different, people wont treat me like a girl because I start looking like a mangirl with boobs. I want to feel the way a girl feels but I guess nope that's not even a thing

so glad I checked in with sep7 today

what the fuck is that supposed to mean

if you didn't already feel like a girl then you aren't trans
I thought the whole point of this thread was that drugs don't make you trans
I dont really know what I feel like tho.  Unable to be a girl, unfit to be a guy
pretty much this

cis girls won, we lost - end of story

cool people like sol and cheat won too I guess, and all those zoomer early transitioners

not people like us

nigga im still cute and have a chance, dont drag me down
true - my mistake and my bad

just a projection thing, you're good dw

no im just being a cunt tbh
we're screwed


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ok

make up your mind


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Well tbh you'll never be a girl

well yeah, but I know that I won't/can't be
Why the hell not? If I can transition then hell yes you can. You look so much better than me already.
Nono, it's that no one can just become a boy or a girl biologically
The fact that I've been on both sides, essentially, and have seen the actual, noticeable changes in my mood and judgment, leads me to believe that yes, I am a woman.
No, no you have not.
That is 100% placebic.

Anti-androgens work very slowly, and will take several weeks, two in the very least (and then only if you weight like 100lbs) to even begin to suppress testosterone production.

Your brain chemistry hasn't changed just because there's estrogen in there either. It isn't some kind of hard drug that you can feel hit you in a couple of hours, it will take around a week, maybe more for the increased levels to have any effect on your body whatsoever.

It will probably take three months, not three days for your brain to reflect female-like neurological patterns.

Don't get too excited and trick yourself into thinking that you're suddenly a different person because you've got these drugs.
First of all, I immediately did double what my prescription said to do, because doctors will always start you off on the lowest possible dose for liability reasons. I know my body, and I know how big I am, so I'm running two patches and two pills per morning.

And oh damn man, you can't possibly imagine how different I feel. You aren't even on HRT so please don't tell me I can't feel them effects.
It does take longer than a few days. I felt a difference probably 1.5 to 2 weeks in. It’s probably placebo if it’s been a few days.
wait are you supposed to feel a difference? Granted I'm only 2.5 weeks in, and all I feel is less depressed and cloudy-minded
that's normal after around three weeks, yes

other than thinking more clearly (although I think my judgement is inferior now), after a few months I started experiencing arousal very differently

not a lot really changes, and you mostly remain yourself
aka - useless

I dont care about looking different, people wont treat me like a girl because I start looking like a mangirl with boobs. I want to feel the way a girl feels but I guess nope that's not even a thing

so glad I checked in with sep7 today

what the fuck is that supposed to mean

if you didn't already feel like a girl then you aren't trans
I thought the whole point of this thread was that drugs don't make you trans
The point of this thread was that people only take you seriously as a trans person if you're on HRT

and lol ok dude - I was still a man before HRT with a male brain, and male chemicals and male chromosomes. Gender Dysphoria isnt feeling like a girl lol, it's feeling like you don't want to be a man. It doesn't magically make you a girl because you want to not be a man. HRT is supposed to be the changer, but now according to you and cheat and your bastions of knowledge on the subject all HRT does is make you look different, which I couldn't care less about

no you fucking retard, gender dysphoria is when you're trapped in a body that belongs to the wrong gender
yes, that could manifest itself as feeling like you no longer want a man's body, but a trans girl isn't a man, regardless of whether she's on hrt or not

there are some minor psychological changes in the form of moods. but what you think a girl "feels" like is beyond me

you claim to be this uber-feminist, but it's starting to look like you don't think of women as other human beings


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frankly i don't know why anyone cares about their gender to begin with
That's why it's called "Comfortable In Skin"

you can't really understand why some people are uncomfortable if you never have been


 
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Hmm...
frankly i don't know why anyone cares about their gender to begin with
For me, gender didn’t really enter into it (ironically). I had issue specifically with my body, how it looked, how it felt, etc. HRT solves a lot of that for me but I’m still not a very feminine person, personality wise.

Obviously everyone is different, though.


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frankly i don't know why anyone cares about their gender to begin with
For me, gender didn’t really enter into it (ironically). I had issue specifically with my body, how it looked, how it felt, etc. HRT solves a lot of that for me but I’m still not a very feminine person, personality wise.

Obviously everyone is different, though.
too bad it cant fix being tall πŸ˜”


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frankly i don't know why anyone cares about their gender to begin with
For me, gender didn’t really enter into it (ironically). I had issue specifically with my body, how it looked, how it felt, etc. HRT solves a lot of that for me but I’m still not a very feminine person, personality wise.

Obviously everyone is different, though.
^this
I mainly started transitioning because I was and largely still am uncomfortable with my body as well.

I'm not out to most people and don't present as female IRL, but in my romantic pursuits I generally occupy a more feminine gender role, and one day I would like to present socially, but probably not any time soon.

Everyone has their own reasons, and there really isn't a wrong reason to do it, but it's incredible to me that Class got a prescription without knowing anything about what HRT is actually used for.


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yeah shocker, people use HRT just to look more feminine and prettier, not to actually feel like a woman! Shouldn't have come as a shock to me. I was having hope but nah - society just cares about looks. That's all there is, that's just how the story goes. You need to look good or else you're trash and even HRT itself thinks thats the only reason why you want on it. Great.


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yeah shocker, people use HRT just to look more feminine and prettier, not to actually feel like a woman! Shouldn't have come as a shock to me. I was having hope but nah - society just cares about looks. That's all there is, that's just how the story goes. You need to look good or else you're trash and even HRT itself thinks thats the only reason why you want on it. Great.
maybe you can describe it to me

what do you think a girl feels like


 
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frankly i don't know why anyone cares about their gender to begin with
That's why it's called "Comfortable In Skin"

you can't really understand why some people are uncomfortable if you never have been
i'm honestly pretty far from being comfortable in my own skin, but for unrelated reasons that have more to do with my disgust for humans in general

i don't enjoy being a male humanβ€”i actually have a chronic and preoccupying hatred for itβ€”but that's not to say i'd rather be anything else

so i feel as though i'm in a state where i completely understand, yet i don't understand at all, which is very weird
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yeah shocker, people use HRT just to look more feminine and prettier, not to actually feel like a woman! Shouldn't have come as a shock to me. I was having hope but nah - society just cares about looks. That's all there is, that's just how the story goes. You need to look good or else you're trash and even HRT itself thinks thats the only reason why you want on it. Great.
maybe you can describe it to me

what do you think a girl feels like
No idea! Never been one! I'd hope not being angry all the time, not hating your own body all the time, not being so filled with hate and rage and senseless violence. But no - HRT just makes you look cute, that's all it's for.


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yeah shocker, people use HRT just to look more feminine and prettier, not to actually feel like a woman! Shouldn't have come as a shock to me. I was having hope but nah - society just cares about looks. That's all there is, that's just how the story goes. You need to look good or else you're trash and even HRT itself thinks thats the only reason why you want on it. Great.
maybe you can describe it to me

what do you think a girl feels like
No idea! Never been one! I'd hope not being angry all the time, not hating your own body all the time, not being so filled with hate and rage and senseless violence. But no - HRT just makes you look cute, that's all it's for.
tbh i've felt a lot less angry and frustrated since i've started, so at least give it a shot before you pass it off as doing nothing


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yeah shocker, people use HRT just to look more feminine and prettier, not to actually feel like a woman! Shouldn't have come as a shock to me. I was having hope but nah - society just cares about looks. That's all there is, that's just how the story goes. You need to look good or else you're trash and even HRT itself thinks thats the only reason why you want on it. Great.
maybe you can describe it to me

what do you think a girl feels like
No idea! Never been one! I'd hope not being angry all the time, not hating your own body all the time, not being so filled with hate and rage and senseless violence. But no - HRT just makes you look cute, that's all it's for.
tbh i've felt a lot less angry and frustrated since i've started, so at least give it a shot before you pass it off as doing nothing
Just taking words from the great masters of this!


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yeah shocker, people use HRT just to look more feminine and prettier, not to actually feel like a woman! Shouldn't have come as a shock to me. I was having hope but nah - society just cares about looks. That's all there is, that's just how the story goes. You need to look good or else you're trash and even HRT itself thinks thats the only reason why you want on it. Great.
maybe you can describe it to me

what do you think a girl feels like
No idea! Never been one! I'd hope not being angry all the time, not hating your own body all the time, not being so filled with hate and rage and senseless violence. But no - HRT just makes you look cute, that's all it's for.
tbh i've felt a lot less angry and frustrated since i've started, so at least give it a shot before you pass it off as doing nothing
what I told her, and exactly what I told her, was that nothing had changed because she'd only been taking hrt for three days, and it would take weeks for these minor changes in mood to appear, and months to reach full strength

of course, SecondClass has no concept of a drug that takes longer than an hour to alter your mind, and also no concept of a drug that doesn't change your mind in an extreme way

I am willing to put money on it that she thinks all biological females are ditzy and cloudy brained, and constantly giggly. To SecondClass, this isn't treatment for dysphoria, this is just another drug.


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yeah shocker, people use HRT just to look more feminine and prettier, not to actually feel like a woman! Shouldn't have come as a shock to me. I was having hope but nah - society just cares about looks. That's all there is, that's just how the story goes. You need to look good or else you're trash and even HRT itself thinks thats the only reason why you want on it. Great.
maybe you can describe it to me

what do you think a girl feels like
No idea! Never been one! I'd hope not being angry all the time, not hating your own body all the time, not being so filled with hate and rage and senseless violence. But no - HRT just makes you look cute, that's all it's for.
tbh i've felt a lot less angry and frustrated since i've started, so at least give it a shot before you pass it off as doing nothing
what I told her, and exactly what I told her, was that nothing had changed because she'd only been taking hrt for three days, and it would take weeks for these minor changes in mood to appear, and months to reach full strength

of course, SecondClass has no concept of a drug that takes longer than an hour to alter your mind, and also no concept of a drug that doesn't change your mind in an extreme way

I am willing to put money on it that she thinks all biological females are ditzy and cloudy brained, and constantly giggly. To SecondClass, this isn't treatment for dysphoria, this is just another drug.
You're way off base pal! Don't take your anger out on me.