This is seriously a stupid as fuck website.

Leave then already you faggot

Quote from: Jono on December 06, 2016, 06:18:38 PM

Quote from: Loaf on December 06, 2016, 06:12:51 PM

This is seriously a stupid as fuck website.

Leave then already you faggot

But then the website would lose a large fraction of it's overall intelligence.

We still have PSU. This site would be FAR better off with you gone, and people may actually want to post here.

Quote from: Jono on December 06, 2016, 06:25:40 PM

Quote from: Loaf on December 06, 2016, 06:24:31 PM

Quote from: Jono on December 06, 2016, 06:18:38 PM

Quote from: Loaf on December 06, 2016, 06:12:51 PM

This is seriously a stupid as fuck website.

Leave then already you faggot

But then the website would lose a large fraction of it's overall intelligence.

We still have PSU. This site would be FAR better off with you gone, and people may actually want to post here.

PSU is a raving ignoramus and if you really think he's a bastion of intelligence, then you obviously have much less brains then I immediately gave you credit for. I'm sorry that I have to keep reducing my faith in your brain.

Yawn

Pretty sure I already posted in here... yep. Lol, carry on then.

Quote from: Verbatim on December 06, 2016, 04:16:14 PM

Quote from: challengerX on December 06, 2016, 02:21:30 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 06, 2016, 02:17:53 PM

"conditioning" is a smarter word than "programming" for this subject

But it's two different things.

A creator would have programmed us. We could still be conditioned, though.

well, there is no creator--unless that's what desty is arguing, i haven't even read any of his posts LOL

the takeaway/overall point of this thread is that, if you're not a hard determinist, you're wrong

You shouldn't have been so persistent on being right if you had no idea what you were talking about, fucking clown.

i AM right, though--so it doesn't matter whether i read your posts or not

To me it sounds like a shit excuse to get away with things and take away responsibility for your actions, because they were planned to happen.
"I'm sorry Officer, I know I was doing 100mph in a school zone, but the lack of free will conditioned me to speed."
"I plead innocent M'lud on the charges, with the crimes being pre-determined as my defence"

And before you chew me out for this, you can't. I'm clearly preset to disagree with this notion of determinism, there's nothing I can do about it. Right?

We haven't true free will as we can't do anything and everything we think of choosing (another limitation is that we can't think or comprehend other options). But we do have limited free will, from a selection of capable options.

To me it sounds like a shit excuse to get away with things and take away responsibility for your actions, because they were planned to happen.
"I'm sorry Officer, I know I was doing 100mph in a school zone, but the lack of free will conditioned me to speed."
"I plead innocent M'lud on the charges, with the crimes being pre-determined as my defence"

And before you chew me out for this, you can't. I'm clearly preset to disagree with this notion of determinism, there's nothing I can do about it. Right?

We haven't true free will as we can't do anything and everything we think of choosing (another limitation is that we can't think or comprehend other options). But we do have limited free will, from a selection of capable options.

This guy gets it, although I'm clearly preset to agree with him.

Quote from: Desty on December 07, 2016, 10:06:24 AM

Never gonna argue with a guy I know is a clown

This is what's known as an ad hominem fallacy. Instead of addressing my argument on it's own merits, you attack the arguer instead.

He's not even talking about you. This is called a I'm not paying attention fallacy.

Quote from: Desty on December 07, 2016, 10:06:24 AM

Never gonna argue with a guy I know is a clown

This is what's known as an ad hominem fallacy. Instead of addressing my argument on it's own merits, you attack the arguer instead.

Saying something stupid and being stupid are two different things. You may say stupid things, but I won't ignore you, because you're susceptible to reason. A clown can be the smartest person in the room, but I'll ignore stupid things they've said because no matter how much right I bring up, they're gonna clown around.