Holy hell

And those kids grew up to be successful professionals.

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Watch that show all the time! Beyond stupid is what these kids are.

Christ

>expected beyond scared straight

was not disappointed; love that show. If I ever have a kid that misbehaves then I know what they will be doing on a nice Saturday

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Which is why afterwards you supplement it with follow-up discussions between the parent and child.

Except the kids are probably in this position in the first place precisely because they don't have that parental support system.

So the issue is with the parents, not the system then. The program does make children see the path they're headed on but if the parents are not there to keep showing them that path then it was all in vain. A lot like how school does educate but if parents are not there to supplement education at home then the kid will be at a larger disadvantage than another kid who does have parental attention in the house

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Hahahaha

Damn, does anyone know if this actually works? If it does, then lawdy lawdy this is great entertainment <____<

A 2002 meta-analysis pretty much showed that, if anything, it was probably harmful.

I had a feeling this was the case <.<

Some change, some don't. At the end of the episode they give an update on the kids they sent in.
The usual stuff.

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Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 23, 2014, 01:23:50 PM

Which is why afterwards you supplement it with follow-up discussions between the parent and child.

Except the kids are probably in this position in the first place precisely because they don't have that parental support system.

So the issue is with the parents, not the system then. The program does make children see the path they're headed on but if the parents are not there to keep showing them that path then it was all in vain. A lot like how school does educate but if parents are not there to supplement education at home then the kid will be at a larger disadvantage than another kid who does have parental attention in the house

That's just not how you reach people.

There was another video I saw years ago similar to the one I linked. Dude was 40 years old having spent 20 years in prison for a double homicide. The thing I remember clearly is "You can get away with something a thousand times, you just need to get caught once". That shit stuck with me. I've never done any stupid shit of course and I had my parents to teach me, but I was around all this bullshit and when you see somebody say that, showing you where all the dreams lead you, it knocks you on your ass far harder than an inmate throwing you on your ass and talking shit.  I don't remember any of these videos where the inmates are harassing the kids. But what that man said I remember. All the people I knew who got caught up in the bullshit. Smart, good people deep down a lot of them. But they got caught. Or they got shot. And none of them are wise enough to see just how little all this gang shit means. It's nothing. It doesn't mean shit. They act like they own a street their mom pays rent on.

You're not gonna reach kids who grow up in an environment where they have to act hard, by bullying them. Because they deal with that EVERY DAY. You reach them by showing them where the road leads. How none of it fucking matters, and how they're wasting their lives chasing a dream only one or maybe two people from the neighborhood will reach.

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So the issue is with the parents, not the system then

The scared straight program doesn't really work. That's my point.

Of course blame lies on the parents for what's going on. That's not what we're talking about though. The kids that go into these videos have shitty parents or don't have any.

It does work. Every episode I've watched all the kids end up crying and being scarred. But it's the parents fault for not taking the extra step and talking to them when they're that vulnerable. Think of it as setting a goal, do it for about a month, then stop. Why? Because a lack of motivation from either yourself, or from others

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Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 23, 2014, 01:56:38 PM

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Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 23, 2014, 01:23:50 PM

Which is why afterwards you supplement it with follow-up discussions between the parent and child.

Except the kids are probably in this position in the first place precisely because they don't have that parental support system.

So the issue is with the parents, not the system then. The program does make children see the path they're headed on but if the parents are not there to keep showing them that path then it was all in vain. A lot like how school does educate but if parents are not there to supplement education at home then the kid will be at a larger disadvantage than another kid who does have parental attention in the house

That's just not how you reach people.

There was another video I saw years ago similar to the one I linked. Dude was 40 years old having spent 20 years in prison for a double homicide. The thing I remember clearly is "You can get away with something a thousand times, you just need to get caught once". That shit stuck with me. I've never done any stupid shit of course and I had my parents to teach me, but I was around all this bullshit and when you see somebody say that, showing you where all the dreams lead you, it knocks you on your ass far harder than an inmate throwing you on your ass and talking shit.  I don't remember any of these videos where the inmates are harassing the kids. But what that man said I remember. All the people I knew who got caught up in the bullshit. Smart, good people deep down a lot of them. But they got caught. Or they got shot. And none of them are wise enough to see just how little all this gang shit means. It's nothing. It doesn't mean shit. They act like they own a street their mom pays rent on.

You're not gonna reach kids who grow up in an environment where they have to act hard, by bullying them. Because they deal with that EVERY DAY. You reach them by showing them where the road leads. How none of it fucking matters, and how they're wasting their lives chasing a dream only one or maybe two people from the neighborhood will reach.

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So the issue is with the parents, not the system then

The scared straight program doesn't really work. That's my point.

Of course blame lies on the parents for what's going on. That's not what we're talking about though. The kids that go into these videos have shitty parents or don't have any.

It does work. Every episode I've watched all the kids end up crying and being scarred. But it's the parents fault for not taking the extra step and talking to them when they're that vulnerable. Think of it as setting a goal, do it for about a month, then stop. Why? Because a lack of motivation from either yourself, or from others

The kids that go into these videos have shitty parents or don't have any. Do you seriously think these kids would be doing stupid shit if they had good parents?

Of course the kids cry and get scared. But the majority end up being fuck ups either way.

More than likely, if they have good parents then they wouldn't be trouble makers. But there's something called being too much of a good parent; aka the parent that thinks they're their children's friends and let them do stupid shit without any consequences. I've seen my fair share of them, especially out in the richer parts of town