No. Why the fuck do I want to go to New Zealand?

No. Why the fuck do I want to go to New Zealand?

Because one does not simply walk to Mordor.

it's the ship of theseus. i think it's somewhat platonic, as well- there is "meta cognition," the person, and there is the idea of "meta cognition", or "meta cognition-ness." your form merely reflects this fundamental idea of "meta cognition," so a reconstructed body (as long as you retain your knowledge and memories) is nothing more than another reflection of what it is to be "meta cognition"

The problem with Platonism, Aristotelianism, Cartesian Dualism and all of the monotheisms is that this idea of the 'ego' which they posit--explained by you--is necessarily a sort of non-empirical stratum, from which properties arise. It doesn't make sense. The thing-in-itself isn't distinct from its properties.

I'm much more of a Humean in that properties cause substance. Not the other way around. I agree that memories and continued perception would contribute to this idea of my 'ego' continuing, but I'm not sure how much physical continuity--especially at the atomic level--counts.

Quote from: Azumarill on January 15, 2015, 01:02:05 PM

it's the ship of theseus. i think it's somewhat platonic, as well- there is "meta cognition," the person, and there is the idea of "meta cognition", or "meta cognition-ness." your form merely reflects this fundamental idea of "meta cognition," so a reconstructed body (as long as you retain your knowledge and memories) is nothing more than another reflection of what it is to be "meta cognition"

The problem with Platonism, Aristotelianism, Cartesian Dualism and all of the monotheisms is that this idea of the 'ego' which they posit--explained by you--is necessarily a sort of non-empirical stratum, from which properties arise. It doesn't make sense. The thing-in-itself isn't distinct from its properties.

I'm much more of a Humean in that properties cause substance. Not the other way around. I agree that memories and continued perception would contribute to this idea of my 'ego' continuing, but I'm not sure how much physical continuity--especially at the atomic level--counts.

that's a fair analysis. theseus's paradox doesn't really have a clear cut answer, which is why it's been tossed around in various forms for thousands of years. i think this naturally leads to a discussion about transhumanism, too

Sure, sounds cool.

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on January 15, 2015, 03:53:32 PM

Sure, sounds cool.

Do you think you'd still be the same conscious being though? Or would you, like, die?

It'd still be me, I imagine. I don't have any claim on any particular atoms, which get changed out regularly anyway.

I'd want a guarantee that I'm not being destroyed and my life has ended, while in NZ they are essentially cloning me with my past me's memory.

Otherwise...no, one of you adventurers can go first.

As long as my current perception continued to exist, no because I don't want to go to NZ (although seeing Ruby would be neat). But if the me going into the teleporter ended-- my consciousness ended-- and another me came out, without "my" consciousness, then no.

Uhh... You guys realize your body gets replaced on the atomic level every year, right?

Of course. But not all at once, like what the teleporter would do. It'd be like the difference between Chicago eventually changing over the course of a decade vs a bomb destroying it and being rebuild.

So I get destroyed and remade? Nah, I don't wanna do that.

As long as my current perception continued to exist, no because I don't want to go to NZ (although seeing Ruby would be neat). But if the me going into the teleporter ended-- my consciousness ended-- and another me came out, without "my" consciousness, then no.

Fuck, change my answer.

I'm going to NZ for hot sex with Ruby.

I really don't understand any of this stuff...but hey! Teleporting sounds cool ^^