Would you support a system..

Dan · April 03, 2015, 11:21:57 AM

...Where people are paid based on how productive they are, rather than by hourly wage?

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · April 03, 2015, 11:27:23 AM

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More Than Mortal · April 03, 2015, 11:44:32 AM

No. If supply and demand is good enough to determine the price of apples, it's good enough to determine the price of labour too.

Mad Max · April 03, 2015, 11:45:25 AM

In certain industries, yes.

Mad Max · April 03, 2015, 11:45:45 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on April 03, 2015, 11:44:32 AM

No. If supply and demand is good enough to determine the price of apples, it's good enough to determine the price of labour too.

That's an excellent point.

DAS B00T x2 · April 03, 2015, 12:06:25 PM

Not really. I'd rather not miss out on wages because of a slow day/week on the airfield.

More Than Mortal · April 03, 2015, 12:30:01 PM

Quote from: DAS | Loli Soul on April 03, 2015, 12:06:25 PM

Not really. I'd rather not miss out on wages because of a slow day/week on the airfield.

This. Uncertainty about productivity will lead to massively fluctuating labour costs. It's okay for some sectors heavily involved in the likes of culture (painting, writing, producing) but trying to figure out just how productive a day's work has been for DAS or I would be massively inconvenient.

The Lord Slide Rule · April 03, 2015, 12:52:48 PM

As an engineer I'll probably only work on a relatively small number projects over my whole career. . .

Verbatim · April 03, 2015, 12:57:53 PM

I don't know. I'm kind of obligated to say no, on account of being a procrastinating lazy fuck, but I mean...

You'd have to start paying workers a lot more to give them that incentive to work hard, and that's...
I don't know. This is one of my least favorite subjects.

Magos Domina · April 03, 2015, 01:09:13 PM

so a garbage man can earn the same as a soldier or a doctor? no thanks

Verbatim · April 03, 2015, 01:31:14 PM

Quote from: TheFox on April 03, 2015, 01:09:13 PM

so a garbage man can earn the same as a soldier or a doctor? no thanks

except that wouldn't happen

Sandtrap · April 03, 2015, 03:04:14 PM

How exactly do you define productive?

For example. A Laborer over the Boss calling the shots on a construction site.

As a laborer, I was the one who spent the entire day getting shit done. I was the one who halued, moved, and assembled everything that needed to be done.

And from that standpoint, all my boss did was point and say go.

But from the standpoint of my boss, I was the guy who didn't know how to do shit. He was the one who read the blueprints, the one who knew how and where to set everything up.

And there were days when neither of us, both laborer or boss had anything to do because certains shipments of steel were late or there were delays from welders, electricians, or drywallers.

The system would only be able to function if you had a very, very clear understanding of what counts as "productive."

Which, essentially, is an extremely broad term that can't be covered and slotted down into a shade of black and white.

Mad Max · April 03, 2015, 03:05:23 PM

Quote from: TheFox on April 03, 2015, 01:09:13 PM

so a garbage man can earn the same as a soldier or a doctor? no thanks

Soldiers don't really get paid much anyway. Their biggest things are benefits, not pay.

Magos Domina · April 03, 2015, 03:09:07 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on April 03, 2015, 03:05:23 PM

Quote from: TheFox on April 03, 2015, 01:09:13 PM
so a garbage man can earn the same as a soldier or a doctor? no thanks
Soldiers don't really get paid much anyway. Their biggest things are benefits, not pay.

We get by.

challengerX · April 03, 2015, 03:18:58 PM

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Mega Sceptile · April 03, 2015, 05:52:54 PM

you mean piece work? plenty of places use the system, worked at a glove factory where it was piece work and I made a complete killing in terms of cash, I doubled or tripled my quota every day and got 2-3x minimum for it.

gats · April 03, 2015, 06:07:23 PM

I'd get paid the fucking most out of every one of my colleagues if that were the case.

Mattie G Indahouse · April 03, 2015, 06:44:31 PM

The only time something like this would work out is if it's a factory base job or something similar. And even thing it would fail due to slow days. The only time something like this would really work is if there's a separate bonus pay for working harder. For example the place I work for we get a bonus for the more things we do or how fast you do them. I usually get around $70 each paycheck from it.