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What do you mean "find life pointless"?

Do you mean "find life not worth living"? Because if you ask me that comes down to a value judgement, which is subjective.

Or are you referring to the possibility that life has no inherent meaning, or point(which I'm basically agnostic about). Which is a different question and answering "no" to one doesn't necessarily imply that you should answer "no" to the other.

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It'd probably be more of an existentialist.

And then enslave us.

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It'd probably be more of an existentialist.

And then enslave us.

What I'm saying is, what's the point? Greed and a lust for power are human traits. Without that programmed into the machine, why should it do anything to gain power, simply for the end goal of power?

Presumably any intelligence of that magnitude would be able to make its own values and qualities. It could see power as an end, or a means to another end this machine chooses to value. It could take its original programming ("Protect the human race") and take it to the logical extremes we would've never conceived of.

But if not programmed with the same "instincts" as us?

Programming goes out the window when you reach levels of intelligence like that.

But why would it develop greed or a lust for power, or even find value in existence simply because it's intelligent?

Why would it develop these human or animal traits?

I'm not saying it would. I'm saying it could.

It might not. It might be unbelievably benevolent.

Say it's self aware. Do you think it would consider existence pointless?

Stop being a bunch of smart asses. The question is would a self aware (let's go with humanoid robot) AI find existence pointless? Say it finds no value in existence because it was not programmed for a task or to put a value on anything. Would it value existence like we do without being programmed to do so? Would it learn to put value on its existence because of us, or maybe because of its own experiences?

The question here is if an AI at our level or more advanced than us could learn to value life or feel it should be alive simply for the reason of existence, without being programmed for any of it.

I'm tired and I'm still taking in Interstellar so this will sound like gibberish, but whatever.

Well, an AI advanced enough to ponder its own existence would probably be able to rewrite its own code while simultaneously deceiving any outsiders from suspecting anything of the sort.

I would think yes. Being able to analyze the entirety of human knowledge about the universe from an unbiased perspective, it would probably conclude very quickly that 1) there is no God, and religion is a human construct, 2) religion serves the purpose of giving purpose in a world without it, and 3) without religion, the universe has no intrinsic meaning, purpose, or value, and thus neither does life itself.

That's a scary thought. An AI smarter and faster than any organic that's decided that 'good' and 'bad' are completely arbitrary.

the AI in I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream was angry at humanity for creating it, so it killed all of us

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"How can the net amount of entropy in the universe be decreased?"

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but op's question could be answered with more context

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Say it's self aware. Do you think it would consider existence pointless?

Stop being a bunch of smart asses. The question is would a self aware (let's go with humanoid robot) AI find existence pointless? Say it finds no value in existence because it was not programmed for a task or to put a value on anything. Would it value existence like we do without being programmed to do so? Would it learn to put value on its existence because of us, or maybe because of its own experiences?

The question here is if an AI at our level or more advanced than us could learn to value life or feel it should be alive simply for the reason of existence, without being programmed for any of it.

I'm tired and I'm still taking in Interstellar so this will sound like gibberish, but whatever.

Well, an AI advanced enough to ponder its own existence would probably be able to rewrite its own code while simultaneously deceiving any outsiders from suspecting anything of the sort.

I would think yes. Being able to analyze the entirety of human knowledge about the universe from an unbiased perspective, it would probably conclude very quickly that 1) there is no God, and religion is a human construct, 2) religion serves the purpose of giving purpose in a world without it, and 3) without religion, the universe has no intrinsic meaning, purpose, or value, and thus neither does life itself.

That's a scary thought. An AI smarter and faster than any organic that's decided that 'good' and 'bad' are completely arbitrary.

I don't see how religion is relevant.

Like I said, religion gives purpose where there is none. But if the AI isn't programmed with religion in the first place, then I guess it doesn't matter.

There's no purpose to life without religion?

Religion, if anything, distracts from our true purpose. To grow and colonize the universe. To understand where we come from, and to explore the edges of space.

Where did you come up with that purpose, though? Because it sounds arbitrary to me. As if you just decided, on personal whim, that that is the purpose of humanity.

An AI pondering the meaning of its existence may not simply agree with you if you don't have some evidence to back up that claim.

But having read my other post again, I feel like I made a lot of assumptions. I'm not sure if there's enough information to give a decent guess.