Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 02, 2016, 12:25:07 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 02, 2016, 12:23:56 AMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 02, 2016, 12:22:39 AMWhat about when the needs of the few help the needs of the many more than sacrificing the needs of the few, make the needs of the few more than the needs of the many?they don'tCompelling like the rest of your points.you asked me a question and i answered iti'm not trying to be "compelling"--you're obviously set in your shitty ways
Quote from: Verbatim on February 02, 2016, 12:23:56 AMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 02, 2016, 12:22:39 AMWhat about when the needs of the few help the needs of the many more than sacrificing the needs of the few, make the needs of the few more than the needs of the many?they don'tCompelling like the rest of your points.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 02, 2016, 12:22:39 AMWhat about when the needs of the few help the needs of the many more than sacrificing the needs of the few, make the needs of the few more than the needs of the many?they don't
What about when the needs of the few help the needs of the many more than sacrificing the needs of the few, make the needs of the few more than the needs of the many?
Quote from: Verbatim on February 01, 2016, 11:03:30 PMThere is no greater good, it's a fucking delusion.Drop your fucking spooks and you'll realize you've essentially propped up an idol, and a shitty one at that.There is no greater good. Without a theistic God, Stirnerian egoism is the only valid worldview.If you want a moral system, find religion. If not, stop trying to pretend one you just pulled out of your asshole because it makes you feel good is legitimate.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 01, 2016, 11:39:44 PMYet they're still homeless and needy, in droves.This is the default state of humanity. It is man's job to drag himself out of the muck and build something if he wants it. He is owed nothing and owes nothing but to God.
Yet they're still homeless and needy, in droves.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 02, 2016, 12:39:59 AMSeriously, prove your shit isn't spooked to hell.
I mean shit man, I only make 21k BEFORE TAXES a year. If I elect Bernie, can I expect to be given another 30k tax free to brig my gross income up to the national average?
There aren't enough resources in the world for everyone to live the same as middle class Americans.
Quote from: Ender on February 02, 2016, 07:19:42 AMThere aren't enough resources in the world for everyone to live the same as middle class Americans.there might be, if people would stop having so many goddamn kidsjust sayin
Quote from: BUILD DAS WALL on February 01, 2016, 11:41:39 PMI mean shit man, I only make 21k BEFORE TAXES a year. If I elect Bernie, can I expect to be given another 30k tax free to brig my gross income up to the national average?No, you can't because he's only increasing taxes on those with yearly incomes of 250k+
Demonstrate to me that there is a greater good.
Hard mode: collective physiological health is not a metric by which quality can be measured.
Quote from: BUILD DAS WALL on February 01, 2016, 10:40:17 PMQuote from: Dissonant and Repentant on February 01, 2016, 10:34:53 PMIt isn't charity to clothe the poor with another man's money, it's just theft.I don't disagree.I mean like, he wants to hep people, but he's all wrong and unethical in how he wants to do it.People can't be expected to be good or charitable, so you basically have to force them to be.Greater good > Your individual rights. Sorry.
Quote from: Dissonant and Repentant on February 01, 2016, 10:34:53 PMIt isn't charity to clothe the poor with another man's money, it's just theft.I don't disagree.I mean like, he wants to hep people, but he's all wrong and unethical in how he wants to do it.
It isn't charity to clothe the poor with another man's money, it's just theft.
Thievery and coercion are still thievery and coercion no matter your rationalizations.
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Quote from: CIS on February 02, 2016, 02:57:54 PMThievery and coercion are still thievery and coercion no matter your rationalizations.And rationalizations are rationalizations. You can rationalize almost anything--even murder. Nothing is inherently wrong.If I have to shoot you in the face to cure cancer, guess what I'm gonna do.
If getting shot in the face would cure cancer or bring about a space age I'd probably just do it myself.
This is where "greater good" philosophies fall apart. Nothing justifies cold-blooded murder, not even something universally good such as curing cancer.Human rights > greater good, any day
Quote from: ❤ SecondClass on February 02, 2016, 04:07:14 PMThis is where "greater good" philosophies fall apart. Nothing justifies cold-blooded murder, not even something universally good such as curing cancer.Human rights > greater good, any dayI mean, it's really hard to think of a more evil mentality than that.
Yeah, respecting human rights is so evil.
Quote from: ❤ SecondClass on February 02, 2016, 04:11:12 PMYeah, respecting human rights is so evil. That's not what you're doing, though. You're causing millions and millions of people suffering because of ONE fucking person. You don't give a fuck about human rights--you don't even know what the term means.This is why I'm happy hypothetical scenarios are only hypothetical. People would find you if you made that choice, and they would do awful things to you, if not just kill you themselves.