Why the ontological argument for God's existence is bollocks

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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
"why the frack are you doing this?" = "You have offended my honor!"

Kay.
Both are pretty ridiculous.

Why on earth would you question my desire to discuss something on a forum?
To start discussion about your desire to discuss something on a forum.
Then make your own thread about it. Don't come in here and derail this one.
It's relevant, m80. Don't h8, just appreciate.
It's completely irrelevant.

Say I make a thread about sandwiches. Then you come in and say "Why do you make so many threads about sandwiches?". Irrelevant.
Think of it like this, you're questioning my questioning of him making these threads. Making you even more off-topic than me.

Maybe you should rethink your life.
I'm not questioning anything. I'm telling you to stop derailing the thread and going off topic. Make your own thread ahoy this subject of you want to discuss it, but don't come in here and tell him he shouldn't have a discussion on a forum.
I didn't say he shouldn't, I asked him why he's discussing the subject and his views on that or something. I don't even care that much at this point, why are you so obsessed with making a big deal out of this when it was done as it were?


 
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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
"why the frack are you doing this?" = "You have offended my honor!"

Kay.
Both are pretty ridiculous.

Why on earth would you question my desire to discuss something on a forum?
To start discussion about your desire to discuss something on a forum.
Then make your own thread about it. Don't come in here and derail this one.
It's relevant, m80. Don't h8, just appreciate.
It's completely irrelevant.

Say I make a thread about sandwiches. Then you come in and say "Why do you make so many threads about sandwiches?". Irrelevant.
Think of it like this, you're questioning my questioning of him making these threads. Making you even more off-topic than me.

Maybe you should rethink your life.
I'm not questioning anything. I'm telling you to stop derailing the thread and going off topic. Make your own thread ahoy this subject of you want to discuss it, but don't come in here and tell him he shouldn't have a discussion on a forum.
I didn't say he shouldn't, I asked him why he's discussing the subject and his views on that or something. I don't even care that much at this point, why are you so obsessed with making a big deal out of this when it was done as it were?
Asking why means you think he shouldn't.

If you don't care, stop replying. If you're going to keep talking to me, I'm going to keep talking to you. We're having a discussion and I'm trying to get you to understand something. There's no big deal.
It does not mean that, because when I asked it I was curious as to what his reasoning was. Not because I wanted him to stop or keep going, but simply to understand.

Trying to get me to understand something? The 'derailment of this thread', as you call it, was over by the time you first posted. You continued it, then told me to stop and that I should make my own thread to something that was already over. There's not much to understand.


 
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Holy fracking shit man, just shut the frack up already.
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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
Who cares about his reasoning? It's a thread. If you don't want to discuss the subject, don't post in it. You came in here questioning why he made a perfectly normal thread because you don't like people discussing god.



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I didn't continue anything. I told what I've been telling you for a whole page now and you kept arguing that what you did was not derailment and was perfectly acceptable to do. There was nothing over, you replied to a joke post I made directed at Meta.
Yes, directed at Meta, not at all directed at the people you're referring to, and not at all misinterpreting what they meant. Not in the least, un uh.

And the topic certainly wasn't dropped for over an hour when both parties were okay with what point had been reached being the end of the discussion. Not like that happened.


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I don't know why you're lying like this. The first page is right there for everybody to see. Let it go already.
I'm lying? Do tell, what did I lie about? And make sure to have references.


 
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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
I'm not implying anything, it's all right there. You don't question why people make threads unless it's an atheist talking about god.
I can't really recall another time when I questioned a thread like this, but I also can't recall any threads made by non-atheists about god in this forum, so that really doesn't sound fair any way you put it.


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Nope, I was making a joke with Meta. You replied to me. If the subject was already dropped, why pick it up again? I thought you weren't offended? Why so defensive?
Didn't seem like a joke to me, seemed like you were misunderstand what was being discussed. "Why pick it back up?", because it was brought back up and it seemed like the one bringing it back up didn't know what they were talking about. You have this obsession with me being offended, believe me you'll need to try harder to do that, I'm replying because you don't seem to understand what has been said and I want to help you understand it.

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You're lying about how I replied to you and derailed the the thread. I made a post talking about how people get offended about threads when they don't like the topic and they think they have the right to tell somebody not to make a thread.
I didn't say you replied to me, I said that the people you were referring to in the reply to Meta had the comment directed at them, because they were the discussion of that reply.


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You replied to me and you're still replying to me. Why? Who knows. You're offended or something most likely.
Yes, God knows that there's no other imaginable reason for a person to reply or converse with another Human being, besides them being offended.


 
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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
Well how convenient for you. I've seen you do so several times and complain about being "persecuted" by atheists because somebody made a joke or argued with you.
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I know exactly what's going on. These are the only types of threads you question. Why even deny it?
>pointed out that people do it before
>asks why they're doing it b4 thread goes off once
>Clearly this is all I do, I must have some massive persecution complex, I'm easily offended, and I can't stand other opinions.

So, is that what you're think of me, or what?

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Right, I was making a joke and referring to you and PSU as examples of people who would censor discussion because it bothers them.

Seriously, like I would censor people's opinions just because I disagree with them or think they're being
obsessed with something? Dude, you clearly don't know me. Stop making wild guesses, they're bound to be wrong.

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Well, seeing how you've had this passive aggressive stance the entire thread and you've been projecting and accusing me of thins you're doing, obviously something's going on. this ain't a regular conversation. It's rididculous.
Okay? Really, what are you going on about now? I've explained my position thoroughly, how you misinterpreted what was going on and I tried clearing it up, but now you've dragged this out into this. I don't know what else to tell you at this point, because it seems like you either don't care to listen or just want to see if you can tick me off.

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I made a post and you're either offended or just like to argue, because otherwise somebody who claims to have dropped the subject hours ago wouldn't even care by now. But here you are arguing with me for a page and a half because you don't like what I have to say.
How many times do I need to tell you that you did not understand what you posted about, and that I've been trying to clear this up for you? Meanwhile, you've been hurling accusations at me of wanting to censor free speech, attacking any Atheist that posts about God, among other things.

As for dropping the subject hours ago, that wasn't even the same subject that we're discussing now. We're discussing how that subject was discussed. I'm talking to you because you have not understood what was going on, and you don't understand what's going on now it seems.

If you want to think that I'm some suppressive bigot that hates different views, then feel free to go ahead. But don't say I didn't try and tell you how you were wrong.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
TBF, he is taking Philosophy now, right? He'd be learning the history and thoughts of philosophers in the past, and wouldn't be towards modern philosophy until the end of the semester.
We don't study this stuff at all.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Meta I swear

You're like 500 years behind on everything
w0t

All I'm doing is asserting an argument. I'm not revealing it as revelation >.>


 
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The constant discussion, mockery, and seeming disdain of it gives the impression. I've seen it from several people here and I really just don't get it.
I'll take a stab.

Because the internet is a safe place. Many atheists face real-world consequences if their friends, family, coworkers/boss find out that they are not religious. So when they come on the internet, they can vent their frustrations without the consequence of losing friends, being kicked out or disowned by family, or losing their job.

Now, let's remember that disagreement and criticism isn't the same as mockery and disdain. As an outsider, a lot of religious beliefs are really outlandish and absurd to people who don't follow the religion. It's natural to question those things.


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Because the internet is a safe place. Many atheists face real-world consequences if their friends, family, coworkers/boss find out that they are not religious.

Jesus Christ. This isn't the 1950's. With the amount of liberal media and blood thirsty lawyers these days, if you get fired for being an Atheist, you can sue to be a millionaire. Stop it.


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Because the internet is a safe place. Many atheists face real-world consequences if their friends, family, coworkers/boss find out that they are not religious.

Jesus Christ. This isn't the 1950's. With the amount of liberal media and blood thirsty lawyers these days, if you get fired for being an Atheist, you can sue to be a millionaire. Stop it.
It's true, though. And the employer will cover their ass and fire your for some other reason.


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Because the internet is a safe place. Many atheists face real-world consequences if their friends, family, coworkers/boss find out that they are not religious.

Jesus Christ. This isn't the 1950's. With the amount of liberal media and blood thirsty lawyers these days, if you get fired for being an Atheist, you can sue to be a millionaire. Stop it.
It's true, though. And the employer will cover their ass and fire your for some other reason.

How do you know it wasn't really that reason?

Thats like getting fired for being a terrible worker and saying "Its because I'm black isn't it". Only now you can say, "OH Its only cause I'm an atheist".


 
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I feel I should make a thread about this.


 
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My stupidity is self evident.
I don't see their issue w/ showing what's wrong w/ a badly reasoned argument. If nothing else we are trying to help them formulate better arguments by shooting down and showing what's wrong w/ the bad one's


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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
Well how convenient for you. I've seen you do so several times and complain about being "persecuted" by atheists because somebody made a joke or argued with you.
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I know exactly what's going on. These are the only types of threads you question. Why even deny it?
>pointed out that people do it before
>asks why they're doing it b4 thread goes off once
>Clearly this is all I do, I must have some massive persecution complex, I'm easily offended, and I can't stand other opinions.

So, is that what you're think of me, or what?

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Right, I was making a joke and referring to you and PSU as examples of people who would censor discussion because it bothers them.

Seriously, like I would censor people's opinions just because I disagree with them or think they're being
obsessed with something? Dude, you clearly don't know me. Stop making wild guesses, they're bound to be wrong.

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Well, seeing how you've had this passive aggressive stance the entire thread and you've been projecting and accusing me of thins you're doing, obviously something's going on. this ain't a regular conversation. It's rididculous.
Okay? Really, what are you going on about now? I've explained my position thoroughly, how you misinterpreted what was going on and I tried clearing it up, but now you've dragged this out into this. I don't know what else to tell you at this point, because it seems like you either don't care to listen or just want to see if you can tick me off.

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I made a post and you're either offended or just like to argue, because otherwise somebody who claims to have dropped the subject hours ago wouldn't even care by now. But here you are arguing with me for a page and a half because you don't like what I have to say.
How many times do I need to tell you that you did not understand what you posted about, and that I've been trying to clear this up for you? Meanwhile, you've been hurling accusations at me of wanting to censor free speech, attacking any Atheist that posts about God, among other things.

As for dropping the subject hours ago, that wasn't even the same subject that we're discussing now. We're discussing how that subject was discussed. I'm talking to you because you have not understood what was going on, and you don't understand what's going on now it seems.

If you want to think that I'm some suppressive bigot that hates different views, then feel free to go ahead. But don't say I didn't try and tell you how you were wrong.
Like I said before, I understand what you're doing perfectly. You can try to act like I started this even though you responded to me, and you can act like you're perfectly fine with threads that are "anti god" when you're clearly not.

I'm not calling you a suppressive bigot. I'm telling you you're acting like you're being persecuted because someone wants to have a conversation on the Internet. You already said it in another thread that atheists "persecute" Christians by making fun of or arguing with them on the Internet.

You're trying to squirm out of what you were originally saying because you were implying these things and not exactly staying them outright, but it isn't working.

You have a problem with threads like these. Which is why I told you to make your own thread about what you want to discuss and not derail this one. You derailed it twice.
Bruh, just stop. I'm not sure what to tell you anymore, because it'll be saying the same thing I've already said before. Really, what do you even think you're getting out of this? You are simply wrong, I don't know any other way to put it, you're trying to dig for some deeper meaning where there isn't any.


 
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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
Well how convenient for you. I've seen you do so several times and complain about being "persecuted" by atheists because somebody made a joke or argued with you.
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I know exactly what's going on. These are the only types of threads you question. Why even deny it?
>pointed out that people do it before
>asks why they're doing it b4 thread goes off once
>Clearly this is all I do, I must have some massive persecution complex, I'm easily offended, and I can't stand other opinions.

So, is that what you're think of me, or what?

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Right, I was making a joke and referring to you and PSU as examples of people who would censor discussion because it bothers them.

Seriously, like I would censor people's opinions just because I disagree with them or think they're being
obsessed with something? Dude, you clearly don't know me. Stop making wild guesses, they're bound to be wrong.

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Well, seeing how you've had this passive aggressive stance the entire thread and you've been projecting and accusing me of thins you're doing, obviously something's going on. this ain't a regular conversation. It's rididculous.
Okay? Really, what are you going on about now? I've explained my position thoroughly, how you misinterpreted what was going on and I tried clearing it up, but now you've dragged this out into this. I don't know what else to tell you at this point, because it seems like you either don't care to listen or just want to see if you can tick me off.

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I made a post and you're either offended or just like to argue, because otherwise somebody who claims to have dropped the subject hours ago wouldn't even care by now. But here you are arguing with me for a page and a half because you don't like what I have to say.
How many times do I need to tell you that you did not understand what you posted about, and that I've been trying to clear this up for you? Meanwhile, you've been hurling accusations at me of wanting to censor free speech, attacking any Atheist that posts about God, among other things.

As for dropping the subject hours ago, that wasn't even the same subject that we're discussing now. We're discussing how that subject was discussed. I'm talking to you because you have not understood what was going on, and you don't understand what's going on now it seems.

If you want to think that I'm some suppressive bigot that hates different views, then feel free to go ahead. But don't say I didn't try and tell you how you were wrong.
Like I said before, I understand what you're doing perfectly. You can try to act like I started this even though you responded to me, and you can act like you're perfectly fine with threads that are "anti god" when you're clearly not.

I'm not calling you a suppressive bigot. I'm telling you you're acting like you're being persecuted because someone wants to have a conversation on the Internet. You already said it in another thread that atheists "persecute" Christians by making fun of or arguing with them on the Internet.

You're trying to squirm out of what you were originally saying because you were implying these things and not exactly staying them outright, but it isn't working.

You have a problem with threads like these. Which is why I told you to make your own thread about what you want to discuss and not derail this one. You derailed it twice.
Bruh, just stop. I'm not sure what to tell you anymore, because it'll be saying the same thing I've already said before. Really, what do you even think you're getting out of this? You are simply wrong, I don't know any other way to put it, you're trying to dig for some deeper meaning where there isn't any.
I'm not wrong and I'm not looking for a deeper meaning. I'm just telling you that if you don't like these threads, don't post in them.
Okay, buckaroo. But I'll keep posting when I feel like I've got something to say, so tough noodles.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Theology hasn't asserted the ontological argument for hundreds of years.
m8 do u evn plntinga


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Theology hasn't asserted the ontological argument for hundreds of years.
m8 do u evn plntinga

I don't, actually. I've never read any of his works, and I don't really count his Wikipedia page and a few links , like I just read, as such. So he took the original argument and tried to justify it using modern logic techniques? I haven't studied modal logic so I'm not familiar with it.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
I haven't studied modal logic so I'm not familiar with it.
All you need to know is that he's wrong.


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I haven't studied modal logic so I'm not familiar with it.
All you need to know is that he's wrong.

Well, Thomas Aquinas could've told him that 800 years ago.


 
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