Why the Gold Standard is a shit-tier idea

 
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There's been something of a resurgence of goldbugs since the failed primaries of Ron Paul and the rise of the Tea Party. Of course, this idea has always existed, especially in America, but the Gold Standard really is a poor--and potentially damaging notion--in terms of economic impact.

A 2012 poll showed none of the polled economists supported the idea that a return to a gold standard would result in better "price-stability and employment outcomes". In my own opinion, and that of several similarly-minded economists, the biggest problem with this is the removal of monetary authority from the government. It takes away a government's ability to fight recessions via monetary policy, and gives it to our balance of trade, gold reserves and gold mines.

In terms of advantages, one of the big ones offered to us is price stability. While removing authority over the money supply might reduce our ability to fight recessions, it makes serious swings in inflation improbable and helps induce economic stability by smoothing out the value of the currency. While it's true that long-term price stability is a virtue of the gold standard, and that significant--or even hyper--inflation are rare, it just isn't true that the gold standard induces stability in any meaningful way.

Inflation under the GS
That is the sheer amount of inflationary volatility under a gold standard. Short-term fluctuations in inflation are drastic under a gold standard. The idea that pegging the currency to gold--or any other sort of metal specie-induces price stability is a sick joke.

Inflation under QE
Now that is inflation under the quantitative easing programmes. QE is essentially a form of monetary stimulus used when interest rates hit zero, and it has been decried as "hyperinflationary" by the libertarian-goldbug crowd. Look at the graph up there, and then look at the graph here. You tell me which is more inflationary--and deflationary, for that matter--than the other.

As Milton Friedman noted: inflation is, always and everywhere, a monetary phenomenon. There has never been a fiat money system, under which, the central bank has not had the power to control inflation. In addition to this, as Ben Bernanke noted, there has never been a fiat money system, under which, the central bank has not been able to control deflation.

So, yeah, if you're in favour of a gold standard. . . stop it.

tl;dr--gold standard doesn't actually stop inflation
Last Edit: January 19, 2015, 12:08:07 PM by Meta Cognition


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didn't I make a thread about him a few months ago in which you called him an idiot for his science-denial antics?
Yeah, he was an anti-Darwinist and didn't believe in evolution. A prohibitionist, too, I think.

When it comes to economics however, he probably was correct with the Panic of 1893 and this advocacy of bimetallism. He was on-the-mark with the gold standard.


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I think getting rid of it and adopting the Federal Reserve was the single biggest mistake in America. But this is just one man's humble opinion.


 
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humble opinion.
Is humble a code-word for "baseless" and "unsupported"?


 
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I think getting rid of it and adopting the Federal Reserve was the single biggest mistake in America. But this is just one man's humble opinion.

I wonder how autistic you would look when a mod shows that isn't my account. Stay a piss-poor mad asshat
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It's definitely better when your currency is backed by actual value rather than empty promises and threats.
>actual value

I'm sorry, is the value of gold somehow not dependent on other people's valuations of it--that is to say, faith. I've demonstrated how the fiat currency system we currently have is far superior to gold--and by extension, any commodity specie--without even getting into the 20-odd year period of the Great Moderation.

If you want to present some real arguments and evidence for a change, then I'm open to it.


 
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when Meta insults me after already being warned, nothing.
I didn't insult you. I called you delusional because you cling to beliefs in the face of insurmountable evidence. If that's an insult, then you calling me naive and 'squirt' all the time also crosses the threshold. You can't have it both ways.


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The system we currently have has failed
Where, exactly? Don't get me wrong, the current Recession is the fault of poor governmental policy, but the solution isn't to throw out that policy. Not only do you reject the efficacy of a good monetary regime--wherein you have about 23 years of solid evidence against you--but you reject any sort of monetary easing in response to the current Recession--you have about seven years of solid evidence against you, there.

Sorry, but I'm the one with the empirics on my side.


 
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The fact that there had to be "easing" proves the system wasn't reliable.
No, it proves there was a prior tightening which necessitates the easing. It has nothing to do with any sort of inherent unreliability of fiat currency which--as I've demonstrated in the OP--is more reliable than a gold standard anyway.

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The "solution" you propose doesn't work
Well it does, because it worked during the Clinton administration, it worked throughout the entirety of the Great Moderation and it has been working--although in a stunted manner--in response to the current Recession.

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We're just delaying the inevitable.
Again, more fearmongering. We've talking before about how Clinton managed to control the size of the debt relative to the economy.

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Sorry, but I have common sense on my side.
Unfortunately for you, however, you don't have the economics on your side.

And the economics, funnily enough, strikes me as more authoritative than your conception of common sense.


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