The thing is normal people can never really invalidate the whole concept of transgenderism. If someone feels like they're a different sex than what they're born, I can't really say they're full of shit or have some kind of mental illness (which is sort of is by definition). That being said I can't say they're hurting anyone, I just will never understand it and am glad I don't have to suffer with an identity issue like that.
Quote from: Lord Starch on October 27, 2015, 07:34:50 PMThe thing is normal people can never really invalidate the whole concept of transgenderism. If someone feels like they're a different sex than what they're born, I can't really say they're full of shit or have some kind of mental illness (which is sort of is by definition). That being said I can't say they're hurting anyone, I just will never understand it and am glad I don't have to suffer with an identity issue like that.I never understood the thought process of, just because you don't understand or "get" something, it means you suddenly have to dislike or disapprove of it.I'm not just referring to trans/gay issues, I mean in general
Quote from: Luciana on October 27, 2015, 07:46:19 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on October 27, 2015, 07:34:50 PMThe thing is normal people can never really invalidate the whole concept of transgenderism. If someone feels like they're a different sex than what they're born, I can't really say they're full of shit or have some kind of mental illness (which is sort of is by definition). That being said I can't say they're hurting anyone, I just will never understand it and am glad I don't have to suffer with an identity issue like that.I never understood the thought process of, just because you don't understand or "get" something, it means you suddenly have to dislike or disapprove of it.I'm not just referring to trans/gay issues, I mean in generalI'm not saying I disapprove if that's what you're saying. But if not, I agree. But when you really look at it, the lack of understanding something about a group of people makes you want to turn to stereotypes and assumptions to fill the void. It's just how we are, and when something is truly understood, then acceptance is easy.
Quote from: challengerX on October 27, 2015, 06:58:34 PMQuote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 27, 2015, 03:20:56 AMI'd like to know how me living as a dude hurts anyone and why it's bad.Also consider the fact that going on HRT (which I've been on for just over a year and a half now) has cured my depression which I dealt with for roughly 9 years and for the first time in my life I finally just feel natural and comfortable in my skin.I fail to see the problem really, and if anything it's helped defined me more as a person.Good for you man. You're not the case I'm talking about.I fail to see why my case is perfectly okay while all the rest aren't
Quote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 27, 2015, 03:20:56 AMI'd like to know how me living as a dude hurts anyone and why it's bad.Also consider the fact that going on HRT (which I've been on for just over a year and a half now) has cured my depression which I dealt with for roughly 9 years and for the first time in my life I finally just feel natural and comfortable in my skin.I fail to see the problem really, and if anything it's helped defined me more as a person.Good for you man. You're not the case I'm talking about.
I'd like to know how me living as a dude hurts anyone and why it's bad.Also consider the fact that going on HRT (which I've been on for just over a year and a half now) has cured my depression which I dealt with for roughly 9 years and for the first time in my life I finally just feel natural and comfortable in my skin.I fail to see the problem really, and if anything it's helped defined me more as a person.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 27, 2015, 11:56:34 PMQuote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 27, 2015, 11:52:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 27, 2015, 06:58:34 PMQuote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 27, 2015, 03:20:56 AMI'd like to know how me living as a dude hurts anyone and why it's bad.Also consider the fact that going on HRT (which I've been on for just over a year and a half now) has cured my depression which I dealt with for roughly 9 years and for the first time in my life I finally just feel natural and comfortable in my skin.I fail to see the problem really, and if anything it's helped defined me more as a person.Good for you man. You're not the case I'm talking about.I fail to see why my case is perfectly okay while all the rest aren'tI would guess it would have to be because you haven't committed suicide. He's still under the delusion that gender dysphoria causes suicide, and if you haven't committed suicide, well, "you're not the case he's talking about."This isn't really something I talk about, but I dealt with severe suicidal depression for about half my lifespan and had multiple suicide attempts through puberty, all before I started HRT. I fit the case pretty perfectly, really.
Quote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 27, 2015, 11:52:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 27, 2015, 06:58:34 PMQuote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 27, 2015, 03:20:56 AMI'd like to know how me living as a dude hurts anyone and why it's bad.Also consider the fact that going on HRT (which I've been on for just over a year and a half now) has cured my depression which I dealt with for roughly 9 years and for the first time in my life I finally just feel natural and comfortable in my skin.I fail to see the problem really, and if anything it's helped defined me more as a person.Good for you man. You're not the case I'm talking about.I fail to see why my case is perfectly okay while all the rest aren'tI would guess it would have to be because you haven't committed suicide. He's still under the delusion that gender dysphoria causes suicide, and if you haven't committed suicide, well, "you're not the case he's talking about."
Quote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 28, 2015, 12:20:52 AMDepression that already existed that may be manifesting more, for a wide variety of reasons. The reasons I already stated (social rejection) and in some occasional cases, botched SRS. Or that person just never recovered from their depression and continued to spiral despite everything, which is something that's understandable to anyone that's dealt with debilitating depression in their lives. Sometimes depression just takes over and you're powerless to it.There has to e a reason as to why te person is still depressed, and social rejection isn't the only factor. A lot of people are socially rejected. They don't commit suicide anywhere near as much as transgenders do.
Depression that already existed that may be manifesting more, for a wide variety of reasons. The reasons I already stated (social rejection) and in some occasional cases, botched SRS. Or that person just never recovered from their depression and continued to spiral despite everything, which is something that's understandable to anyone that's dealt with debilitating depression in their lives. Sometimes depression just takes over and you're powerless to it.
Quote from: TBlocks on October 28, 2015, 08:41:43 AMQuote from: challengerX on October 28, 2015, 07:18:29 AMQuote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 28, 2015, 12:20:52 AMDepression that already existed that may be manifesting more, for a wide variety of reasons. The reasons I already stated (social rejection) and in some occasional cases, botched SRS. Or that person just never recovered from their depression and continued to spiral despite everything, which is something that's understandable to anyone that's dealt with debilitating depression in their lives. Sometimes depression just takes over and you're powerless to it.There has to e a reason as to why te person is still depressed, and social rejection isn't the only factor. A lot of people are socially rejected. They don't commit suicide anywhere near as much as transgenders do.They aren't as rejected as much as transgenders are?We can't really quantify this because it's all things people tell us. Who says it's true?
Quote from: challengerX on October 28, 2015, 07:18:29 AMQuote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 28, 2015, 12:20:52 AMDepression that already existed that may be manifesting more, for a wide variety of reasons. The reasons I already stated (social rejection) and in some occasional cases, botched SRS. Or that person just never recovered from their depression and continued to spiral despite everything, which is something that's understandable to anyone that's dealt with debilitating depression in their lives. Sometimes depression just takes over and you're powerless to it.There has to e a reason as to why te person is still depressed, and social rejection isn't the only factor. A lot of people are socially rejected. They don't commit suicide anywhere near as much as transgenders do.They aren't as rejected as much as transgenders are?
We can't really quantify this because it's all things people tell us. Who says it's true?
An overwhelming share of America’s lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender adults (92%) say society has become more accepting of them in the past decade and an equal number expect it to grow even more accepting in the decade ahead. They attribute the changes to a variety of factors, from people knowing and interacting with someone who is LGBT, to advocacy on their behalf by high-profile public figures, to LGBT adults raising families.At the same time, however, a new nationally representative survey of 1,197 LGBT adults offers testimony to the many ways they feel they have been stigmatized by society. About four-in-ten (39%) say that at some point in their lives they were rejected by a family member or close friend because of their sexual orientation or gender identity; 30% say they have been physically attacked or threatened; 29% say they have been made to feel unwelcome in a place of worship; and 21% say they have been treated unfairly by an employer. About six-in-ten (58%) say they’ve been the target of slurs or jokes.
Across the LGBT population, more say bisexual women and lesbians are accepted by society than say this about gay men, bisexual men or transgender people. One-in-four respondents say there is a lot of social acceptance of lesbians, while just 15% say the same about gay men. Similarly, there is more perceived acceptance of bisexual women (33% a lot) than of bisexual men (8%). Transgender adults are viewed as less accepted by society than other LGBT groups: only 3% of survey respondents say there is a lot of acceptance of this group.
Quote from: BAS D00T x2 on October 28, 2015, 09:45:47 AMI'm almost certain that the homeless rate of lgbt youth in 2014 topped the rate of veterans who are homeless.Will attempt to find hard stats later on in dayIt's not a competition.
I'm almost certain that the homeless rate of lgbt youth in 2014 topped the rate of veterans who are homeless.Will attempt to find hard stats later on in day
@Verbatim Lack of acceptance isn't harassment
Social rejection is a problem for many groups of people and their suicide rate is far lower. Why? Because they don't have to deal with a painful identity crisis like people with gender dysphoria.
Because drugs make people happy. Drugs are bad. So is transgenderism, as cruel as that sounds.
You know, I find it funny how you label me a bigot simply because o want to fix the problem you have.
How am I disrespecting them?
I'm sorry it offends you, really I am. But it's the facts.
What? "Gay jokes" as in jokes about gays or lame jokes?
That's the furthest thing from the truth.
The problem is these supposed facts aren't really being contested.
In essence, I'm simply saying we need to do much more and view this as a medical problem, not a civil rights issue.
It doesn't make me uncomfortable. I won't lie, I think it's disgusting.
But I put my opinions aside when discussing this, because they're irrelevant.
You see the huge difference here is that this literally IS a mental problem.
Emotions are at the core of this, I've never denied that. Completely disregarding logic, however, is another thing.
This was a nice rant, but unfortunately for you I don't hate trans people.
Sex and gender are the same thing.
Seeing how this isn't possible, I'm gonna go ahead and ignore it.
Quote from: eggsalad on October 28, 2015, 07:26:55 PMChallenger why are dicks so important to you? Is this some sort of manifestation of past trauma?I'm the only FTM guy and he's okay with me apparently. I'm trying to figure out why my case is okay but for MTF gals it isn't.
Challenger why are dicks so important to you? Is this some sort of manifestation of past trauma?
Why should transgenderism be something we "accept"?
