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Why should transgenderism be something we "accept"?

 
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Quote from: challengerX on October 25, 2015, 09:14:19 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on October 25, 2015, 09:03:01 PM
Quote from: Tsirist on October 25, 2015, 09:01:05 PM
I don't understand the issue. Clearly gender dysphoria is a harmful disorder to those who experience it and those who rely on them to be able to function normally. But transgenderism helps to solve it for the individual and doesn't hurt anyone else. What's the big deal?
There is none--they just think it disrupts some kind of sacred natural order. Gaia theists.
Depression and suicide isn't an issue to you?

Ok then.
Gender dysphoria =/= Depression and suicide

and like slash said, suicide is your own choice anyway

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on October 25, 2015, 09:17:10 PM
Gender dysphoria causes these things.
it doesn't, though

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Choice? The fuck are you talking about?
it's not really anyone's place to tell you if you should kill yourself or not

it really isn't

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on October 25, 2015, 09:20:23 PM
They're not all happy, however. They're killing themselves even after surgery and having support. Why? Because they have a mental illness.
No shit. Did you even read my post regarding the studies I linked a page or two back? The fact that they kill themselves afterwards does NOT necessarily suggest that there is a better solution. Transgenderism is proven to help, but as you point out it is not a PERFECT solution.

You have yet to address this issue.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on October 25, 2015, 09:20:23 PM
They're not all happy, however. They're killing themselves even after surgery and having support. Why? Because they have a mental illness.
or because they live in a world of bigots who treat them like shit after surgery

 
 
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Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 25, 2015, 06:19:00 PM
people can do what they want with their bodies

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on October 25, 2015, 09:26:25 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on October 25, 2015, 09:24:35 PM
Quote from: challengerX on October 25, 2015, 09:20:23 PM
They're not all happy, however. They're killing themselves even after surgery and having support. Why? Because they have a mental illness.
or because they live in a world of bigots who treat them like shit after surgery
Where's your proof for this?

I find this hard to believe seeing how they got the surgery to look like the other gender. If I saw Nuka in real life and I didn't know he was transgender, I'd have no idea that he is a transgender.

Yeah I don't buy it.

Have you been living under a rock or something?

 
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Quote from: challengerX on October 25, 2015, 09:24:40 PM
Quote from: Tsirist on October 25, 2015, 09:22:34 PM
No shit. Did you even read my post regarding the studies I linked a page or two back? The fact that they kill themselves afterwards does NOT necessarily suggest that there is a better solution. Transgenderism is proven to help, but as you point out it is not a PERFECT solution.
It's not even a good solution judging from the statistics.

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You have yet to address this issue.
I addressed it before you even posted. In the OP. This is the whole point of this thread.

Get your eyes checked then get back to me.
"And your argument shouldn't just be "because it makes people happy". That isn't what we're discussing. We're discussing the viewpoint that people are pushing, saying transgenderism should be here to stay."

As I have stated, without referring to the individuals' levels of happiness: gender dysphoria causes high rates of suicide. This is what I assume you mean by the serious harm that the problem causes. Transgenderism reduces the rate of suicide and is the best method of treatment that we are aware of. This solves the problem of suicide to a significant degree.

Where in that did I mention making these people happy?

Do I know for certain that it will always be the best solution? Of course not. That would be impossible. But we have no idea what a better solution would be right now so transgenderism is our best option, and for that reason it should be socially acceptable if we want to stop the harm caused by suicides.

Does this not conform to your restrictions on the nature of the debate? What are your allowable measures of success and failure for transgenderism as a solution to the problem of gender dysphoria?

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on October 25, 2015, 09:28:13 PM
Tell that to all the people who have committed suicide because of their gender dusphoria.
i don't think anybody has ever killed themselves just because of their gender dysphoria

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So we should just let people kill themselves?
if they want to?

yes

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Quote from: challengerX on October 25, 2015, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: Notch's little brother on October 25, 2015, 09:28:33 PM
Have you been living under a rock or something?
I'm sorry, am I supposed to take this pathetic post as irrefutable proof for the argument that all transgenders who get realignment surgery and commit suicide afterwards do so because of bigotry, even though it's incredibly difficult to tell that they are transgender?

This kind of stuff shouldn't have to be explained. Yes, there is bigotry towards trans people. If you want proof just do some quick Google searches.

 
 
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can't argue with someone who doesn't understand the concepts of "statistically significant" and comparative inequalities

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Quote from: challengerX on October 25, 2015, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: Notch's little brother on October 25, 2015, 09:35:26 PM
This kind of stuff shouldn't have to be explained. Yes, there is bigotry towards trans people. If you want proof just do some quick Google searches.
Nobody is denying there's bigotry.

I'm saying the suicides after gender realignment surgery are not all caused by bigotry.

I apologize for misconstruing your post. I'm kind of zoned out a bit.

 
 
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