Lol how did this thread get 300 replies

drugs make people happy. Drugs are bad.

LOL

Nothing can be "bad" if it's a consensual choice that someone is doing to their own body. Whether that's drugs, transgenderism, body mutilation, prostitution, it doesn't matter. Morality is tied solely to interactions with other feeling beings, so when that interaction is nonexistent, the act can't be moral or immoral.

Quote from: The Ghost That Never Lies on October 27, 2015, 07:02:49 PM

Quote from: challengerX on October 27, 2015, 06:56:46 PM

drugs make people happy. Drugs are bad.

LOL

Nothing can be "bad" if it's a consensual choice that someone is doing to their own body. Whether that's drugs, transgenderism, body mutilation, prostitution, it doesn't matter. Morality is tied solely to interactions with other feeling beings, so when that interaction is nonexistent, the act can't be moral or immoral.

Make your own thread about this. We've had this discussion numerous times and every time we wind up not budging.

I'm all for consent and all that bullshit, but the act of the matter is cocaine is BAD for you.

Except this ties in directly to the whole TG thing. Cocaine is bad for your health, but it's not unethical to use it. Just like McDonald's is bad for your health, but I'm not going to call someone a bad person for eating a Big Mac.

Transgenderism is the same thing. Say what you want about whether or not it's bad health-wise for a person; that doesn't matter in the slightest. If you're going to be against transgenderism and drugs on that basis, you should stand with me against GMOs, too. Or fast food. Or MSG. Or any of the many, many unhealthy things in our society that are perfectly socially acceptable.

Wait, so you're not even arguing from a position of morality? Just lol. Who cares if someone is doing something that's bad for them, that's none of your business in the slightest. If my best friend told me he was going to cut off his arm because he felt like it, I would be in no position to stop him.

The thing is normal people can never really invalidate the whole concept of transgenderism. If someone feels like they're a different sex than what they're born, I can't really say they're full of shit or have some kind of mental illness (which is sort of is by definition). That being said I can't say they're hurting anyone, I just will never understand it and am glad I don't have to suffer with an identity issue like that.

Quote from: Lord Starch on October 27, 2015, 07:34:50 PM

The thing is normal people can never really invalidate the whole concept of transgenderism. If someone feels like they're a different sex than what they're born, I can't really say they're full of shit or have some kind of mental illness (which is sort of is by definition). That being said I can't say they're hurting anyone, I just will never understand it and am glad I don't have to suffer with an identity issue like that.

I never understood the thought process of, just because you don't understand or "get" something, it means you suddenly have to dislike or disapprove of it.

I'm not just referring to trans/gay issues, I mean in general

I'm not saying I disapprove if that's what you're saying. But if not, I agree. But when you really look at it, the lack of understanding something about a group of people makes you want to turn to stereotypes and assumptions to fill the void. It's just how we are, and when something is truly understood, then acceptance is easy.

Quote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 27, 2015, 03:20:56 AM

I'd like to know how me living as a dude hurts anyone and why it's bad.

Also consider the fact that going on HRT (which I've been on for just over a year and a half now) has cured my depression which I dealt with for roughly 9 years and for the first time in my life I finally just feel natural and comfortable in my skin.

I fail to see the problem really, and if anything it's helped defined me more as a person.

Good for you man. You're not the case I'm talking about.

I fail to see why my case is perfectly okay while all the rest aren't

Quote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 27, 2015, 11:52:44 PM

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Quote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 27, 2015, 03:20:56 AM

I'd like to know how me living as a dude hurts anyone and why it's bad.

Also consider the fact that going on HRT (which I've been on for just over a year and a half now) has cured my depression which I dealt with for roughly 9 years and for the first time in my life I finally just feel natural and comfortable in my skin.

I fail to see the problem really, and if anything it's helped defined me more as a person.

Good for you man. You're not the case I'm talking about.

I fail to see why my case is perfectly okay while all the rest aren't

I would guess it would have to be because you haven't committed suicide. He's still under the delusion that gender dysphoria causes suicide, and if you haven't committed suicide, well, "you're not the case he's talking about."

This isn't really something I talk about, but I dealt with severe suicidal depression for about half my lifespan and had multiple suicide attempts through puberty, all before I started HRT. I fit the case pretty perfectly, really.

Quote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 28, 2015, 12:02:51 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on October 27, 2015, 11:56:34 PM

Quote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 27, 2015, 11:52:44 PM

Quote from: challengerX on October 27, 2015, 06:58:34 PM

Quote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 27, 2015, 03:20:56 AM

I'd like to know how me living as a dude hurts anyone and why it's bad.

Also consider the fact that going on HRT (which I've been on for just over a year and a half now) has cured my depression which I dealt with for roughly 9 years and for the first time in my life I finally just feel natural and comfortable in my skin.

I fail to see the problem really, and if anything it's helped defined me more as a person.

Good for you man. You're not the case I'm talking about.

I fail to see why my case is perfectly okay while all the rest aren't

I would guess it would have to be because you haven't committed suicide. He's still under the delusion that gender dysphoria causes suicide, and if you haven't committed suicide, well, "you're not the case he's talking about."

This isn't really something I talk about, but I dealt with severe suicidal depression for about half my lifespan and had multiple suicide attempts through puberty, all before I started HRT. I fit the case pretty perfectly, really.

He means after HRT, though. Because he's trying to prove that HRT isn't a "good enough" solution or, uh, something.

I don't know, nothing he says makes any sense.

Depression forming after HRT is false. That would be depression that already existed prior.

Quote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 28, 2015, 12:20:52 AM

Depression that already existed that may be manifesting more, for a wide variety of reasons.  The reasons I already stated (social rejection) and in some occasional cases, botched SRS. Or that person just never recovered from their depression and continued to spiral despite everything, which is something that's understandable to anyone that's dealt with debilitating depression in their lives. Sometimes depression just takes over and you're powerless to it.

There has to e a reason as to why te person is still depressed, and social rejection isn't the only factor.

A lot of people are socially rejected. They don't commit suicide anywhere near as much as transgenders do.

They aren't as rejected as much as transgenders are?

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Quote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 28, 2015, 12:20:52 AM

Depression that already existed that may be manifesting more, for a wide variety of reasons.  The reasons I already stated (social rejection) and in some occasional cases, botched SRS. Or that person just never recovered from their depression and continued to spiral despite everything, which is something that's understandable to anyone that's dealt with debilitating depression in their lives. Sometimes depression just takes over and you're powerless to it.

There has to e a reason as to why te person is still depressed, and social rejection isn't the only factor.

A lot of people are socially rejected. They don't commit suicide anywhere near as much as transgenders do.

They aren't as rejected as much as transgenders are?

We can't really quantify this because it's all things people tell us.

Who says it's true?

Based on my own observations I think they are. That's all I can go on of course. I have a feeling there's some studies on this subject though.

I'm almost certain that the homeless rate of lgbt youth in 2014 topped the rate of veterans who are homeless.

Will attempt to find hard stats later on in day

Quote from: BAS D00T x2 on October 28, 2015, 09:45:47 AM

I'm almost certain that the homeless rate of lgbt youth in 2014 topped the rate of veterans who are homeless.

Will attempt to find hard stats later on in day

It's not a competition.

You wanted a way to visibly reference or quantify ostracization, or something.