Where this idea has come from that Iran is some peaceful nation being bullied by the West I'll never fucking know. Everybody seems content to forget that it tried to procure nuclear contraband while negotiating with the US, purchased embargoed weapons from the Kremlin, actively funds Hamas (and has been arming the Houthis in Yemen since 2009), performing military drills on mock US carriers and intimidating international cargo ships.

And all of this besides the habitual anti-semitism, and "death to America" proclamations. Oh, and let's not forget the escalating demands and obscurantism by Iran during the recent nuclear agreements, and the Iranians' brazen rejection of any international investigations into their nuclear facilities.

All of this from a fundamentalist Shi'a theocracy which actively celebrates terrorism. And yet again, the West will capitulate to these barbarous dogs.

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Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 02, 2015, 06:36:00 PM

Well, then what solution do you propose then? Getting into a war with Iran? LOL

I'm not saying that we should be trusting Iran, but aside from diplomacy the only two options are either accepting a nuclear Iran or going to war against Iran.

The media in Iran is very powerful, and they have to live up to their whole "Axis of Resistance" thing as well to some extent, hence the backing of terrorist organizations and constant chanting of "Death to America".

So that's your counter argument about Iran? Is that they just have a reputation to keep up? LOL you're fucking pathetic. HURRRR GUYS THEY'RE TOTALLY NOT SRS LOL ITS JUST REP

Appeasing to their local population so they don't start an uprising against them? Yeah. That's the primary motivator for their Axis of Resistance crap they spew out.

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Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 02, 2015, 06:36:00 PM

Well, then what solution do you propose then? Getting into a war with Iran? LOL

I'm not saying that we should be trusting Iran, but aside from diplomacy the only two options are either accepting a nuclear Iran or going to war against Iran.

The media in Iran is very powerful, and they have to live up to their whole "Axis of Resistance" thing as well to some extent, hence the backing of terrorist organizations and constant chanting of "Death to America".

So that's your counter argument about Iran? Is that they just have a reputation to keep up? LOL you're fucking pathetic. HURRRR GUYS THEY'RE TOTALLY NOT SRS LOL ITS JUST REP

Appeasing to their local population so they don't start an uprising against them? Yeah. That's the primary motivator for their Axis of Resistance crap they spew out.

Except the evidence against that retarded argument is huge, as demonstrated by Meta's post with numerous links. If it was just Iran playing a bluff for some cool points they wouldn't be doing all that shit. Try again, retard. Do you have any evidence for your claims? I can answer that for you: NOPE

None of my claims are even against what Meta's saying. He's saying the what, and I'm saying the why.

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Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 02, 2015, 06:36:00 PM

Well, then what solution do you propose then? Getting into a war with Iran? LOL

I'm not saying that we should be trusting Iran, but aside from diplomacy the only two options are either accepting a nuclear Iran or going to war against Iran.

The media in Iran is very powerful, and they have to live up to their whole "Axis of Resistance" thing as well to some extent, hence the backing of terrorist organizations and constant chanting of "Death to America".

So that's your counter argument about Iran? Is that they just have a reputation to keep up? LOL you're fucking pathetic. HURRRR GUYS THEY'RE TOTALLY NOT SRS LOL ITS JUST REP

Appeasing to their local population so they don't start an uprising against them? Yeah. That's the primary motivator for their Axis of Resistance crap they spew out.

Except the evidence against that retarded argument is huge, as demonstrated by Meta's post with numerous links. If it was just Iran playing a bluff for some cool points they wouldn't be doing all that shit. Try again, retard. Do you have any evidence for your claims? I can answer that for you: NOPE

None of my claims are even against what Meta's saying. He's saying the what, and I'm saying the why.

Except you have literally zero evidence of the why

You got any better ideas of why then? Finding the why of things is always theoretical.

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Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 02, 2015, 06:36:00 PM

Well, then what solution do you propose then? Getting into a war with Iran? LOL

I'm not saying that we should be trusting Iran, but aside from diplomacy the only two options are either accepting a nuclear Iran or going to war against Iran.

The media in Iran is very powerful, and they have to live up to their whole "Axis of Resistance" thing as well to some extent, hence the backing of terrorist organizations and constant chanting of "Death to America".

So that's your counter argument about Iran? Is that they just have a reputation to keep up? LOL you're fucking pathetic. HURRRR GUYS THEY'RE TOTALLY NOT SRS LOL ITS JUST REP

Appeasing to their local population so they don't start an uprising against them? Yeah. That's the primary motivator for their Axis of Resistance crap they spew out.

Except the evidence against that retarded argument is huge, as demonstrated by Meta's post with numerous links. If it was just Iran playing a bluff for some cool points they wouldn't be doing all that shit. Try again, retard. Do you have any evidence for your claims? I can answer that for you: NOPE

None of my claims are even against what Meta's saying. He's saying the what, and I'm saying the why.

Except you have literally zero evidence of the why

You got any better ideas of why then? Finding the why of things is always theoretical.

Maybe because they're actually serious? God you're retarded

They're obviously serious about backing terrorist organizations and proxies. But why are they doing it in the first place then? Being a sponsor of terrorism isn't something you do for no reason since it has a lot of repercussions.

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Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 02, 2015, 06:36:00 PM

Well, then what solution do you propose then? Getting into a war with Iran? LOL

I'm not saying that we should be trusting Iran, but aside from diplomacy the only two options are either accepting a nuclear Iran or going to war against Iran.

The media in Iran is very powerful, and they have to live up to their whole "Axis of Resistance" thing as well to some extent, hence the backing of terrorist organizations and constant chanting of "Death to America".

So that's your counter argument about Iran? Is that they just have a reputation to keep up? LOL you're fucking pathetic. HURRRR GUYS THEY'RE TOTALLY NOT SRS LOL ITS JUST REP

Appeasing to their local population so they don't start an uprising against them? Yeah. That's the primary motivator for their Axis of Resistance crap they spew out.

Except the evidence against that retarded argument is huge, as demonstrated by Meta's post with numerous links. If it was just Iran playing a bluff for some cool points they wouldn't be doing all that shit. Try again, retard. Do you have any evidence for your claims? I can answer that for you: NOPE

None of my claims are even against what Meta's saying. He's saying the what, and I'm saying the why.

Except you have literally zero evidence of the why

You got any better ideas of why then? Finding the why of things is always theoretical.

Maybe because they're actually serious? God you're retarded

They're obviously serious about backing terrorist organizations and proxies. But why are they doing it in the first place then?

Because they're evil scumbags

Lol. Nice try there. Nobody has ever done anything like that before just because of "muh evulz". There's always an underlying reason and thinking otherwise is dehumanizing and false.

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Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 02, 2015, 06:36:00 PM

Well, then what solution do you propose then? Getting into a war with Iran? LOL

I'm not saying that we should be trusting Iran, but aside from diplomacy the only two options are either accepting a nuclear Iran or going to war against Iran.

The media in Iran is very powerful, and they have to live up to their whole "Axis of Resistance" thing as well to some extent, hence the backing of terrorist organizations and constant chanting of "Death to America".

So that's your counter argument about Iran? Is that they just have a reputation to keep up? LOL you're fucking pathetic. HURRRR GUYS THEY'RE TOTALLY NOT SRS LOL ITS JUST REP

Appeasing to their local population so they don't start an uprising against them? Yeah. That's the primary motivator for their Axis of Resistance crap they spew out.

Except the evidence against that retarded argument is huge, as demonstrated by Meta's post with numerous links. If it was just Iran playing a bluff for some cool points they wouldn't be doing all that shit. Try again, retard. Do you have any evidence for your claims? I can answer that for you: NOPE

None of my claims are even against what Meta's saying. He's saying the what, and I'm saying the why.

Except you have literally zero evidence of the why

You got any better ideas of why then? Finding the why of things is always theoretical.

Maybe because they're actually serious? God you're retarded

They're obviously serious about backing terrorist organizations and proxies. But why are they doing it in the first place then?

Because they're evil scumbags

Lol. Nice try there. Nobody has ever done anything like that before just because of "muh evulz". There's always an underlying reason and thinking otherwise is dehumanizing and false.

Except you have literally no evidence to support such a retarded claim. Some people really are just evil, and Iran does it because they do hate America and Israel

wut

Torturing/executing PoWs happens because the group torturing the PoWs because they want to instill fear into the opposing army and cause them to panic or desert.

Serial killers kill because they get joy from killing people.

9/11 happened because al-Qaeda wanted to drag the US into an extremely costly war.



And yes, Iran really does hate the US and Israel. But they're doing it because they're trying to appease their local population. It's the same reason that North Korea hates the US and South Korea so much. They want to distract their populace from the dire economic conditions and harsh social conditions they have to endure. Saying that Iran hates the US and Israel simply because Iran is "muh evul" is a retarded claim to make.

Not to mention that there isn't a single person ruling Iran, but it's rather a small group of people exercising total control. Same goes for North Korea. Ayatollah Khamenei is a puppet of the real rulers in the same way that Kim Jong-Un is a puppet of the real rulers.

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Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 02, 2015, 06:36:00 PM

Well, then what solution do you propose then? Getting into a war with Iran? LOL

I'm not saying that we should be trusting Iran, but aside from diplomacy the only two options are either accepting a nuclear Iran or going to war against Iran.

The media in Iran is very powerful, and they have to live up to their whole "Axis of Resistance" thing as well to some extent, hence the backing of terrorist organizations and constant chanting of "Death to America".

So that's your counter argument about Iran? Is that they just have a reputation to keep up? LOL you're fucking pathetic. HURRRR GUYS THEY'RE TOTALLY NOT SRS LOL ITS JUST REP

Appeasing to their local population so they don't start an uprising against them? Yeah. That's the primary motivator for their Axis of Resistance crap they spew out.

Except the evidence against that retarded argument is huge, as demonstrated by Meta's post with numerous links. If it was just Iran playing a bluff for some cool points they wouldn't be doing all that shit. Try again, retard. Do you have any evidence for your claims? I can answer that for you: NOPE

None of my claims are even against what Meta's saying. He's saying the what, and I'm saying the why.

Except you have literally zero evidence of the why

You got any better ideas of why then? Finding the why of things is always theoretical.

Maybe because they're actually serious? God you're retarded

They're obviously serious about backing terrorist organizations and proxies. But why are they doing it in the first place then?

Because they're evil scumbags

Lol. Nice try there. Nobody has ever done anything like that before just because of "muh evulz". There's always an underlying reason and thinking otherwise is dehumanizing and false.

Except you have literally no evidence to support such a retarded claim. Some people really are just evil, and Iran does it because they do hate America and Israel

wut

Torturing/executing PoWs happens because the group torturing the PoWs because they want to instill fear into the opposing army and cause them to panic or desert.

Serial killers kill because they get joy from killing people.

9/11 happened because al-Qaeda wanted to drag the US into an extremely costly war.



And yes, Iran really does hate the US and Israel. But they're doing it because they're trying to appease their local population. It's the same reason that North Korea hates the US and South Korea so much. They want to distract their populace from the dire economic conditions and harsh social conditions they have to endure. Saying that Iran hates the US and Israel simply because Iran is "muh evul" is a retarded claim to make.

Not to mention that there isn't a single person ruling Iran, but it's rather a small group of people exercising total control. Same goes for North Korea. Ayatollah Khamenei is a puppet of the real rulers in the same way that Kim Jong-Un is a puppet of the real rulers.

You still have literally zero evidence of this, you're just spewing out bullshit from your mouth. Get real facts before you start sounding like an idiot.

Links to every article, news article, and pages I've read all pointing towards this conclusion I've reached? Why should I do that when you haven't said anything to counter my arguments other than "hur muh evidence" and "hur muh evulz"? Again, saying that people do things solely for "muh evulz" is uninformed since everyone wants some form of reward for their actions whether it's money, power, or happiness.

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Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 02, 2015, 06:36:00 PM

Well, then what solution do you propose then? Getting into a war with Iran? LOL

I'm not saying that we should be trusting Iran, but aside from diplomacy the only two options are either accepting a nuclear Iran or going to war against Iran.

The media in Iran is very powerful, and they have to live up to their whole "Axis of Resistance" thing as well to some extent, hence the backing of terrorist organizations and constant chanting of "Death to America".

So that's your counter argument about Iran? Is that they just have a reputation to keep up? LOL you're fucking pathetic. HURRRR GUYS THEY'RE TOTALLY NOT SRS LOL ITS JUST REP

Appeasing to their local population so they don't start an uprising against them? Yeah. That's the primary motivator for their Axis of Resistance crap they spew out.

Except the evidence against that retarded argument is huge, as demonstrated by Meta's post with numerous links. If it was just Iran playing a bluff for some cool points they wouldn't be doing all that shit. Try again, retard. Do you have any evidence for your claims? I can answer that for you: NOPE

None of my claims are even against what Meta's saying. He's saying the what, and I'm saying the why.

Except you have literally zero evidence of the why

You got any better ideas of why then? Finding the why of things is always theoretical.

Maybe because they're actually serious? God you're retarded

They're obviously serious about backing terrorist organizations and proxies. But why are they doing it in the first place then?

Because they're evil scumbags

Lol. Nice try there. Nobody has ever done anything like that before just because of "muh evulz". There's always an underlying reason and thinking otherwise is dehumanizing and false.

Except you have literally no evidence to support such a retarded claim. Some people really are just evil, and Iran does it because they do hate America and Israel

wut

Torturing/executing PoWs happens because the group torturing the PoWs because they want to instill fear into the opposing army and cause them to panic or desert.

Serial killers kill because they get joy from killing people.

9/11 happened because al-Qaeda wanted to drag the US into an extremely costly war.



And yes, Iran really does hate the US and Israel. But they're doing it because they're trying to appease their local population. It's the same reason that North Korea hates the US and South Korea so much. They want to distract their populace from the dire economic conditions and harsh social conditions they have to endure. Saying that Iran hates the US and Israel simply because Iran is "muh evul" is a retarded claim to make.

Not to mention that there isn't a single person ruling Iran, but it's rather a small group of people exercising total control. Same goes for North Korea. Ayatollah Khamenei is a puppet of the real rulers in the same way that Kim Jong-Un is a puppet of the real rulers.

You still have literally zero evidence of this, you're just spewing out bullshit from your mouth. Get real facts before you start sounding like an idiot.

Links to every article, news article, and pages I've read all pointing towards this conclusion I've reached? Why should I do that when you haven't said anything to counter my arguments other than "hur muh evidence" and "hur muh evulz"? Again, saying that people do things solely for "muh evulz" is uninformed since everyone wants some form of reward for their actions whether it's money, power, or happiness.

The burden of proof is on you to show why you're right, I'm not going to do your research for you.

You see, it's like a puzzle. I've had to read hundreds of articles to reach my conclusion. I guess I'll just throw some token articles your way just to appease you like how Iran appeases their people with their Axis of Resistance..

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/27/kim-jong-un-north-korea-supreme-leader-or-state-puppet

https://news.vice.com/article/former-top-official-says-kim-jong-un-is-no-longer-in-control-of-north-korea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Guardians_of_the_Islamic_Revolution

Unfortunately, not many articles I can find have flat-out said that Iran is run by the IRGC or that Iran's Axis of Resistance is primarily motivated by the desire to please the Iranian people. But they are the most logical conclusions that can be reached with the information that's out there right now. But there are numerous parallels between authoritarian states and how they're run, and Iran/North Korea are two very similar ones once you look down deeper.