Quote from: Risay117 on October 02, 2014, 10:32:52 AM

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It's the distinction where people associate Muslims with Islam. Kinda like the term African-American where it's a implication that all people from Africa are black but it's not the case since South Africa is a large white African nation

Seeing how Muslims are followers of Islam, your post makes no sense.

Well religion usually divides people on ethnic lines. Imagine this, you say muslim who do you think, the brown people. The religion has been tied to a race in the foreign world.

There are many races of people that are Muslim. I don't really think of a specific type of person because I just don't think like that.

You might not but quite a number of people do. But the freedom to practice your religion and being discriminated based on your religion is wrong. I mean is Judaism a race or a religion. Remember people convert to Judaism, so ethically they are not. But if you criticize them you are labeled an anti-semite. Mainly calling you out as a racist. So the problem is are you a muslim or not if you practice a religion or not.
Salman Rushdie calls himself a muslim although he does not practice Islam. Saying his father was a muslim and so he is too. This is mainly a case where culture and religion blend so close together and people present a religion to be their background culture.

Freedom of religion=/=freedom from criticism

Yes but when you are discriminated based on your religion. When people fear you because of your religion, it is a problem.

Islamophobia is mainly the fear of Islam or the followers of the faith. Cause my parents are muslim am i being of fear, someone who may kill you. I know muslims have caused some horrible acts but i would never fear a person based on their religion or discriminate based on their religion. But it happens, and is mainly because of people not know who muslims are.

Yes but when you are discriminated based on your religion. When people fear you because of your religion, it is a problem.

Islamophobia is mainly the fear of Islam or the followers of the faith. Cause my parents are muslim am i being of fear, someone who may kill you. I know muslims have caused some horrible acts but i would never fear a person based on their religion or discriminate based on their religion. But it happens, and is mainly because of people not know who muslims are.

Nobody here is advocating for discrimination against muslims or people of traditionally muslim ethnicities.

We are talking about the frequency of name-calling being used against those who criticize islam, attempting to paint us as ignorant bigots who just hate brown people.

In my personal opinion, followers of Islam are hypocrites of the highest order when they demand equal religious protection, because the Qur'an demands a special tax placed on non-muslims, which is most certainly discrimination.

I don't understand what Yasir is trying to say.

What we're saying is that people who criticize Islam are being labeled bigots by use of the term "Islamophobia". There are people who hate Muslims due to ignorance and hating brown colored people. The point is, normal people who make valid criticisms against Islam are being thrown in with racist dumbasses. That's the problem, that the term is censoring valid criticism by labeling it as racist or as if there is such a thing as phobia of Islam.

Ok, now i get what you are saying, i was wondering whether you thought Islamophobia does not exist. And it is just a word to invented. Personally for me Islamophobia is for people who think all people with muslim heritage or are muslim are bad people, mainly bigots. Now if you want to challenge Islam and criticize it you can, but that is not Islamophobia, that is just a disagreement, which allows the other side to bring in their argument, and thus a debate begins.

The issue of Islamophobia you talk about how it is thrown willy nilly is quite noticeable in many other movements from certain feminist groups calling people misogynist, and sometimes racism is thrown around whenever someone does not like what they are getting.