Why do people say you can't be 100% certain that there is no god?

Dustin · October 08, 2014, 11:59:05 AM

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More Than Mortal · October 08, 2014, 11:59:50 AM

Quote from: DemonicChronic on October 08, 2014, 11:57:10 AM

Quote from: Flee on October 08, 2014, 07:08:49 AM
absolute certainty, which is virtually impossible to achieve,
Well existence is absolutely certain.

It's still subject to gradation. You can have idealists and materialists on the spectrum, with solipsists and eliminativists at the extreme.

Then of course you have the nihilists who claim that existence lacks a qualitative valuing system, and therefore cannot be meaningful in any sense of the word.

More Than Mortal · October 08, 2014, 12:00:23 PM

Quote from: uıʇsnᗡ on October 08, 2014, 11:59:05 AM

but not certain of the laws of physics?

. . .

I am certain of the laws of physics.

Dustin · October 08, 2014, 12:03:51 PM

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More Than Mortal · October 08, 2014, 12:07:35 PM

Quote from: uıʇsnᗡ on October 08, 2014, 12:03:51 PM

Do you agree that omniscience/omnipotence defies the laws of physics?

Not in principle. Surely it depends on what the laws themselves are and what definition you're using for omniscience and omnipotent.

In practice? Maybe, but you'll need to explain it to me how you reach that conclusion.

Dustin · October 08, 2014, 12:09:39 PM

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Aether · October 08, 2014, 12:10:02 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 08, 2014, 11:59:50 AM

Quote from: DemonicChronic on October 08, 2014, 11:57:10 AM
Quote from: Flee on October 08, 2014, 07:08:49 AM
absolute certainty, which is virtually impossible to achieve,
Well existence is absolutely certain.
It's still subject to gradation. You can have idealists and materialists on the spectrum, with solipsists and eliminativists at the extreme.

Then of course you have the nihilists who claim that existence lacks a qualitative valuing system, and therefore cannot be meaningful in any sense of the word.

people can debate the nature of existence all they want. All I'm saying is that reality is here and your consciousness is here and, while anyone can deny that, the very fact that they can alludes to existence.

Wow fracking tapatalk quoting the wrong post. . .

PSU · October 08, 2014, 12:15:24 PM

Why even debate it?

Fact is all of you and I will have no idea if god exists until we die.

More Than Mortal · October 08, 2014, 12:16:44 PM

Quote from: PSU on October 08, 2014, 12:15:24 PM

Why even debate it?

Because so many people act as if it were true.

And then we have schoolgirls being shot at and abortion clinics being bombed.

PSU · October 08, 2014, 12:18:25 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 08, 2014, 12:16:44 PM

Quote from: PSU on October 08, 2014, 12:15:24 PM
Why even debate it?
Because so many people act as if it were true.

And then we have schoolgirls being shot at and abortion clinics being bombed.

Well, I feel like God is absoluely real. Obviously I can't be 100% sure, no one can.

the bombing of abortion clinics is irrelevant when discussing if God exists.

More Than Mortal · October 08, 2014, 12:21:29 PM

Quote from: PSU on October 08, 2014, 12:18:25 PM

the bombing of abortion clinics is irrelevant when discussing if God exists.

I see what you mean, but my argument is not that the bombing of abortion clinics has any bearing on God's existence.

I'm saying the topic is worthy of discussion because of the consequences which result from people basing their actions on such a belief.

challengerX · October 08, 2014, 12:33:03 PM

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More Than Mortal · October 08, 2014, 12:35:38 PM

Quote from: uıʇsnᗡ on October 08, 2014, 12:09:39 PM

If you are all powerful, then how can you turn back time? How can you pause time? How can you make things out of nothing? How do you create yourself? How do you see everything that is going on?

There are theological answers to all of those questions. Not convincing, obviously, but I can't be bothered to run through them to be honest.