Quote from: Sandtrap on July 04, 2015, 07:51:15 PMI never said that people didn't care.You did. Several times. QuoteI just stated, that it can't really be called true care. You want the collective sum to be well off but you don't even know what the true collective sum of humanity is. Nobody does. Nobody can even comprehend that amount of people.It's not about each and every person. It's about the species. I'm not sure what's so difficult for you to understand. QuoteAnd, by the way, the collective sum is composed of individuals. The two go hand in hand synonamously. The collective sum, of my town, is 800 hundred people. The collective sum of people in my province, is 1 million. The entire collective sum of people on our planet is roughly 7 billion individuals. Which leads me to my point here.And the species itself is more important than each individual. A million people could die, humanity would be fine. QuoteIt's self interest that drives anybody, and everybody. It's things inside of our sphere of perceptiona and influence, that we truly care about.What exactly is wrong with self interest either way?Self interest drives people. So do our survival instincts. And so does wanting humanity, as a whole, to make it. QuoteThe person who invents something new? They wanted to. They wanted to satisfy their curiousity. How about somebody doing something because they cared about someone? Like a doctor who invents a new procedure or medicine?They likely did it because they cared about somebody they knew. An experience inside their personal sphere.Right. Nobody ever invented or did anything because they cared about anybody else. This just even something that can be debated. You're wrong end of discussion. People that invent cures for disease don't all do it because they have a relative with the disease. Not even close. And that's one example out of many selfless things people do. QuoteThat's my point. You can say that you care all you want, but you don't. Not to what could truly be defined as true care. You said it yourself.No. I didn't. You did. QuoteLet's say a big chunk of the human population gets wiped off the map. You'd consider it a loss to humanity.But, really, that's all. You wouldn't cry. You wouldn't weep. You wouldn't really do anything about. You might think about it for a while, but, at the end of the day, nothing will come of it.And?QuoteFor example. Take the recent quakes in nepal. You're looking at a death toll of over 10,000 people minimum. The entire place is flattened over like a pile of matchsticks.You see the pictures and the devestation, and of course, you say that it's horrible. But that's it. It's caring, obviously. Because you say wow that's horrible.Uh, no. I quite clearly just told you it legitimately wouldn't affect me. I saw that on the news and was like "Ok. That sucks. Whatever. Life goes on."QuoteBut I'm not really sure you can call that real care. It's just like a little ping on the radar and then it dissappears. Real, true care has emotional investment. And, emotional investment drives people into action to do what they do.Well like I said. I don't personal care. It isn't even a real loss to humanity, because Nepal is pretty fucking useless. Couldn't care less if it fell of the face of the Earth. QuoteAnyway. This conversation is more about two points of view on personal things instead of a particular statment being made.It's more about asserting your bullshit on people. QuoteWhen Europe showed up on North America and shit hit the fan with the natives, Europeans weren't thinking of "the progressment of humanity." That's a load of horseshit. They were colonizing more territory and when the natives didn't get along with them they dropped the hammer on them big time.When did I ever say this? LOL"Progressment" isn't a word you dip. It's "progression". There was no general consensus Quoteamong everybody that this was some illuminating path to the future and that the entire human population of the planet would benefit from it. It was a land grab that played to the self interest of the people who wanted that land as theirs and obviously, had a pretty fucking low opinion of the natives.Again, when did I ever say they colonized it because they thought it was "an illuminating path to the future"?I said as it stands, it benefited humanity as a whole far more than if the natives had kept the land. If you had actually read and understood my post, you would've known from the beginning I DON'T care about every individual. I couldn't give less of s shot about the natives. They weren't doing shit with the land and were holding us back as a species. Did they deserve to be slaughtered? No. Is it a terrible thing that they were slaughtered? Yeah, morally. But when it comes to human progression? Not really. QuoteAnywho. I ain't gonna press things here. It's not like I'm cheering for some asshat to press the button on the nukes or anything. I want to see new fantastic helpful stuff in the future too. I'd like to see beneficial things made and progress. But, personally, to myself, saying that I really well and truly do care about the entire sum population just seems like a false statement.Well if you knew how to read you'd know I don't care about every human. I care about or species as a whole. QuoteA false statement to be made by anybody. I certainly care about the people I know in my personal circle of things. Outside of that, everything else just seems, well, a little shaky. Too much of a big grey area.Yeah just shut the fuck up dude. You have no reading comprehension and you think "progressment" is a word.
I never said that people didn't care.
I just stated, that it can't really be called true care. You want the collective sum to be well off but you don't even know what the true collective sum of humanity is. Nobody does. Nobody can even comprehend that amount of people.
And, by the way, the collective sum is composed of individuals. The two go hand in hand synonamously. The collective sum, of my town, is 800 hundred people. The collective sum of people in my province, is 1 million. The entire collective sum of people on our planet is roughly 7 billion individuals. Which leads me to my point here.
It's self interest that drives anybody, and everybody. It's things inside of our sphere of perceptiona and influence, that we truly care about.
The person who invents something new? They wanted to. They wanted to satisfy their curiousity. How about somebody doing something because they cared about someone? Like a doctor who invents a new procedure or medicine?They likely did it because they cared about somebody they knew. An experience inside their personal sphere.
That's my point. You can say that you care all you want, but you don't. Not to what could truly be defined as true care. You said it yourself.
Let's say a big chunk of the human population gets wiped off the map. You'd consider it a loss to humanity.But, really, that's all. You wouldn't cry. You wouldn't weep. You wouldn't really do anything about. You might think about it for a while, but, at the end of the day, nothing will come of it.
For example. Take the recent quakes in nepal. You're looking at a death toll of over 10,000 people minimum. The entire place is flattened over like a pile of matchsticks.You see the pictures and the devestation, and of course, you say that it's horrible. But that's it. It's caring, obviously. Because you say wow that's horrible.
But I'm not really sure you can call that real care. It's just like a little ping on the radar and then it dissappears. Real, true care has emotional investment. And, emotional investment drives people into action to do what they do.
Anyway. This conversation is more about two points of view on personal things instead of a particular statment being made.
When Europe showed up on North America and shit hit the fan with the natives, Europeans weren't thinking of "the progressment of humanity." That's a load of horseshit. They were colonizing more territory and when the natives didn't get along with them they dropped the hammer on them big time.
among everybody that this was some illuminating path to the future and that the entire human population of the planet would benefit from it. It was a land grab that played to the self interest of the people who wanted that land as theirs and obviously, had a pretty fucking low opinion of the natives.
Anywho. I ain't gonna press things here. It's not like I'm cheering for some asshat to press the button on the nukes or anything. I want to see new fantastic helpful stuff in the future too. I'd like to see beneficial things made and progress. But, personally, to myself, saying that I really well and truly do care about the entire sum population just seems like a false statement.
A false statement to be made by anybody. I certainly care about the people I know in my personal circle of things. Outside of that, everything else just seems, well, a little shaky. Too much of a big grey area.
I'm proud that my country is the top hat of your country.
You're being civil by saying I'm full of shit and a hypocritical liar? Get the fuck outta here.
The point is that nobody is proud of being born in a specific set of borders in the first place. When people say "I'm proud to be an American", they don't mean they start welling up because of the line separating them from Mexico.
Why are you proud to be an American?
