Where? Do people opposed to the Iraq War not usually argue that Hussein "preserved stability", despite the only stability existing in Iraq was for himself and his crime syndicate of a family? Do people who are anti-Israel not usually excuse the actions of Hamas as what is essentially a response ot colonialism? Do people who tend to be progressive not usually blame the current state of many African countries despite the overwhelming evidence that domestic institutions combined with geography and not foreign intervention are primarily to blame?
You always argue a point made with logic goes unnoticed and is treated as wrong because there isn't a poll or statistic backing it up.
We all know what he's saying to be true either way.
We've seen countless people who have those opinions say these things and be completely blind to their hypocrisy.
All you're doing here is digging yourself a grave when he finds the time come back at you with 5 links proving everything he says.
committed a genocide
Really? Most left leaning people think that way. That's fact.
It isn't anecdotal, though. At all. It's based off of opinions given by people who think that way. Which tends to be the left. Who tend to think that way.
There are countless polls on the Iraq war, Israel and Palestine etc.
Please go to the Flood of you want to be the forum contrarian, this is where we debate and have intelligent discussion. Not spam "ENJOY BEING WRONG IM SO MUCH BETTER THAN YOU OH MY GOD IM GONNA ORGASM FROM PRETENDING TO BE RIGHT ON A FORUM"
I'm the one who disagrees with Meta the most here
Quote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 04, 2016, 05:49:58 AMQuote from: M8A-ORD on January 04, 2016, 12:56:04 AMWhere? Do people opposed to the Iraq War not usually argue that Hussein "preserved stability", despite the only stability existing in Iraq was for himself and his crime syndicate of a family? Do people who are anti-Israel not usually excuse the actions of Hamas as what is essentially a response ot colonialism? Do people who tend to be progressive not usually blame the current state of many African countries despite the overwhelming evidence that domestic institutions combined with geography and not foreign intervention are primarily to blame?Unless you have polls available, I don't see much use in this speculative garbage.To answer your questions--I don't know, and neither do you. All I know is that some people do, and some people don't. But I've no use for this anecdotal crap where we presume that our personal experiences on the Internet with "people" represent the whole of Western civilization.If you want to talk about people who do consider the atrocities committed by the west to be more reprehensible--regardless of how widespread that type of thinking is--then okay, fine, go ahead. But I won't hear that it's "most people" without seeing some evidence--and to be honest, that seems rather inconsequential anyway.This is hilarious coming from you. You always argue a point made with logic goes unnoticed and is treated as wrong because there isn't a poll or statistic backing it up. We all know what he's saying to be true either way. We've seen countless people who have those opinions say these things and be completely blind to their hypocrisy. All you're doing here is digging yourself a grave when he finds the time come back at you with 5 links proving everything he says.
Quote from: M8A-ORD on January 04, 2016, 12:56:04 AMWhere? Do people opposed to the Iraq War not usually argue that Hussein "preserved stability", despite the only stability existing in Iraq was for himself and his crime syndicate of a family? Do people who are anti-Israel not usually excuse the actions of Hamas as what is essentially a response ot colonialism? Do people who tend to be progressive not usually blame the current state of many African countries despite the overwhelming evidence that domestic institutions combined with geography and not foreign intervention are primarily to blame?Unless you have polls available, I don't see much use in this speculative garbage.To answer your questions--I don't know, and neither do you. All I know is that some people do, and some people don't. But I've no use for this anecdotal crap where we presume that our personal experiences on the Internet with "people" represent the whole of Western civilization.If you want to talk about people who do consider the atrocities committed by the west to be more reprehensible--regardless of how widespread that type of thinking is--then okay, fine, go ahead. But I won't hear that it's "most people" without seeing some evidence--and to be honest, that seems rather inconsequential anyway.
Guess I'll have to spank you myself. https://reason.com/poll/2014/10/16/poll-reveals-americans-supported-iraq-wa
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/21/cnn-poll-americans-clearly-side-with-israel-in-gaza-fighting/"Forty-five percent of Democrats questioned said that Israeli’s military actions in Gaza are justified. That number jumps to 56% among independents and 73% among Republicans."
The point is democrats view Israel as Western and Palestinians as the poor little underdogs who are just fighting back colonialism. They view Saddam as having kept stability even though he was a genocidal maniac who tried to invade and conquer Iran. They don't view him as being that bad, or simply that it's expected in that region. They'll slam down on a few soldiers killing some civilians, but Saddam's genocide goes ignored. Same with the constant genocides in Africa. Nobody cares, it's expected, etc.
You can stop sperging out now. Either provide a counter argument or go rant about your religion elsewhere.
You're very rarely right about anything.
Quote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 12:28:25 AMand he's absolutely right about unfounded generalizations on display here.Where? Do people opposed to the Iraq War not usually argue that Hussein "preserved stability", despite the only stability existing in Iraq was for himself and his crime syndicate of a family? Do people who are anti-Israel not usually excuse the actions of Hamas as what is essentially a response ot colonialism? Do people who tend to be progressive not usually blame the current state of many African countries despite the overwhelming evidence that domestic institutions combined with geography and not foreign intervention are primarily to blame?
and he's absolutely right about unfounded generalizations on display here.
Quote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 07:55:25 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 06:30:20 AMQuote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 04, 2016, 05:49:58 AMQuote from: M8A-ORD on January 04, 2016, 12:56:04 AMWhere? Do people opposed to the Iraq War not usually argue that Hussein "preserved stability", despite the only stability existing in Iraq was for himself and his crime syndicate of a family? Do people who are anti-Israel not usually excuse the actions of Hamas as what is essentially a response ot colonialism? Do people who tend to be progressive not usually blame the current state of many African countries despite the overwhelming evidence that domestic institutions combined with geography and not foreign intervention are primarily to blame?Unless you have polls available, I don't see much use in this speculative garbage.To answer your questions--I don't know, and neither do you. All I know is that some people do, and some people don't. But I've no use for this anecdotal crap where we presume that our personal experiences on the Internet with "people" represent the whole of Western civilization.If you want to talk about people who do consider the atrocities committed by the west to be more reprehensible--regardless of how widespread that type of thinking is--then okay, fine, go ahead. But I won't hear that it's "most people" without seeing some evidence--and to be honest, that seems rather inconsequential anyway.This is hilarious coming from you. You always argue a point made with logic goes unnoticed and is treated as wrong because there isn't a poll or statistic backing it up. We all know what he's saying to be true either way. We've seen countless people who have those opinions say these things and be completely blind to their hypocrisy. All you're doing here is digging yourself a grave when he finds the time come back at you with 5 links proving everything he says."people"Who are these people?"countless people who have these opinions"It doesn't get any clearer than that.
Quote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 06:30:20 AMQuote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 04, 2016, 05:49:58 AMQuote from: M8A-ORD on January 04, 2016, 12:56:04 AMWhere? Do people opposed to the Iraq War not usually argue that Hussein "preserved stability", despite the only stability existing in Iraq was for himself and his crime syndicate of a family? Do people who are anti-Israel not usually excuse the actions of Hamas as what is essentially a response ot colonialism? Do people who tend to be progressive not usually blame the current state of many African countries despite the overwhelming evidence that domestic institutions combined with geography and not foreign intervention are primarily to blame?Unless you have polls available, I don't see much use in this speculative garbage.To answer your questions--I don't know, and neither do you. All I know is that some people do, and some people don't. But I've no use for this anecdotal crap where we presume that our personal experiences on the Internet with "people" represent the whole of Western civilization.If you want to talk about people who do consider the atrocities committed by the west to be more reprehensible--regardless of how widespread that type of thinking is--then okay, fine, go ahead. But I won't hear that it's "most people" without seeing some evidence--and to be honest, that seems rather inconsequential anyway.This is hilarious coming from you. You always argue a point made with logic goes unnoticed and is treated as wrong because there isn't a poll or statistic backing it up. We all know what he's saying to be true either way. We've seen countless people who have those opinions say these things and be completely blind to their hypocrisy. All you're doing here is digging yourself a grave when he finds the time come back at you with 5 links proving everything he says."people"Who are these people?
Because they don't view the terrible actions the Palestinians and Saddam committed to be as morally reprehensible as those of Israel and America.
Quote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 04, 2016, 09:29:48 AMIf the title of this thread was "why do some people consider the atrocities bla bla bla more reprehensible," then I'd accept that. That's an acceptable subject title. I won't hear that it's most people, because it just isn't.It is most, though.
If the title of this thread was "why do some people consider the atrocities bla bla bla more reprehensible," then I'd accept that. That's an acceptable subject title. I won't hear that it's most people, because it just isn't.
Quote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 10:35:26 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 10:31:22 AMQuote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 04, 2016, 09:29:48 AMIf the title of this thread was "why do some people consider the atrocities bla bla bla more reprehensible," then I'd accept that. That's an acceptable subject title. I won't hear that it's most people, because it just isn't.It is most, though.[citation needed]http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/democrats-israel-palestine-gallup-poll-115419
Quote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 10:31:22 AMQuote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 04, 2016, 09:29:48 AMIf the title of this thread was "why do some people consider the atrocities bla bla bla more reprehensible," then I'd accept that. That's an acceptable subject title. I won't hear that it's most people, because it just isn't.It is most, though.[citation needed]
Quote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 11:42:11 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 11:13:35 AMQuote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 10:35:26 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 10:31:22 AMQuote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 04, 2016, 09:29:48 AMIf the title of this thread was "why do some people consider the atrocities bla bla bla more reprehensible," then I'd accept that. That's an acceptable subject title. I won't hear that it's most people, because it just isn't.It is most, though.[citation needed]http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/democrats-israel-palestine-gallup-poll-115419>one issueMost people in the poll support Israel, too.You only need one issue. We're discussing how people (specifically those that are left leaning) view atrocities committed by Western countries as more morally reprehensible than those of other countries. How people feel sorry for Palestinians when they were killing and oppressing Jews long before Israel was created is beyond me, but there you have it. Israel accidentally kills some kids in a war, they're monsters. Palestinians purposefully blow up some kids, it's retaliation to colonialism. You're going to have to do a LOT better than this if you want to try and deny the facts.
Quote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 11:13:35 AMQuote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 10:35:26 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 10:31:22 AMQuote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 04, 2016, 09:29:48 AMIf the title of this thread was "why do some people consider the atrocities bla bla bla more reprehensible," then I'd accept that. That's an acceptable subject title. I won't hear that it's most people, because it just isn't.It is most, though.[citation needed]http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/democrats-israel-palestine-gallup-poll-115419>one issueMost people in the poll support Israel, too.
Quote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 11:42:11 AMMost people in the poll support Israel, too. You didn't even bother to read past the headline.Most Democrats don't. And it is the left side of the spectrum which is guilty of condemning every act committed by the West but giving everybody else a pass, which is why we're focusing on the people who think this way. Because that's the discussion.
Most people in the poll support Israel, too. You didn't even bother to read past the headline.
Quote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 11:48:51 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 11:46:22 AMQuote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 11:42:11 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 11:13:35 AMQuote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 10:35:26 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 10:31:22 AMQuote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 04, 2016, 09:29:48 AMIf the title of this thread was "why do some people consider the atrocities bla bla bla more reprehensible," then I'd accept that. That's an acceptable subject title. I won't hear that it's most people, because it just isn't.It is most, though.[citation needed]http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/democrats-israel-palestine-gallup-poll-115419>one issueMost people in the poll support Israel, too.You only need one issue. We're discussing how people (specifically those that are left leaning) view atrocities committed by Western countries as more morally reprehensible than those of other countries. How people feel sorry for Palestinians when they were killing and oppressing Jews long before Israel was created is beyond me, but there you have it. Israel accidentally kills some kids in a war, they're monsters. Palestinians purposefully blow up some kids, it's retaliation to colonialism. You're going to have to do a LOT better than this if you want to try and deny the facts.No, this whole discussion was about all of the issues since the OP.And your own link proved you wrong. 😂I'm not interested in the whole thread; I haven't even read the OP. I was addressing Verbatim's post. How did my link prove me wrong when it supports the point I'm making?
Quote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 11:46:22 AMQuote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 11:42:11 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 11:13:35 AMQuote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 10:35:26 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 10:31:22 AMQuote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 04, 2016, 09:29:48 AMIf the title of this thread was "why do some people consider the atrocities bla bla bla more reprehensible," then I'd accept that. That's an acceptable subject title. I won't hear that it's most people, because it just isn't.It is most, though.[citation needed]http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/democrats-israel-palestine-gallup-poll-115419>one issueMost people in the poll support Israel, too.You only need one issue. We're discussing how people (specifically those that are left leaning) view atrocities committed by Western countries as more morally reprehensible than those of other countries. How people feel sorry for Palestinians when they were killing and oppressing Jews long before Israel was created is beyond me, but there you have it. Israel accidentally kills some kids in a war, they're monsters. Palestinians purposefully blow up some kids, it's retaliation to colonialism. You're going to have to do a LOT better than this if you want to try and deny the facts.No, this whole discussion was about all of the issues since the OP.And your own link proved you wrong. 😂
Quote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 11:51:04 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 11:50:28 AMQuote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 11:42:11 AMMost people in the poll support Israel, too. You didn't even bother to read past the headline.Most Democrats don't. And it is the left side of the spectrum which is guilty of condemning every act committed by the West but giving everybody else a pass, which is why we're focusing on the people who think this way. Because that's the discussion.Nice job moving the goalpost. You originally said most of all people felt that way.LMAO I've always been talking about the left. The right unconditionally support America and view atrocities committed by the government as collateral damage.
Quote from: challengerX on January 04, 2016, 11:50:28 AMQuote from: Kupoop on January 04, 2016, 11:42:11 AMMost people in the poll support Israel, too. You didn't even bother to read past the headline.Most Democrats don't. And it is the left side of the spectrum which is guilty of condemning every act committed by the West but giving everybody else a pass, which is why we're focusing on the people who think this way. Because that's the discussion.Nice job moving the goalpost. You originally said most of all people felt that way.
Why are atrocities committed by the West considered more reprehensible?
