Who is MOST at fault...

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Both the British Empire and the people unwilling to work through post colonialism. It's not entirely "DEM WITE PEEPLES" fault and isn't entirely the inhabitants' fault either. For the most part, both are to blame.


 
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Colonialism, for the most part, was beneficial.

The current situation is mainly because of European and African governments inability to work out postcolonialism.


 
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Oh, it has an effect but to put it as the sole and biggest reason is absurd

Let me share something with you.



This was a map, done in the 1950's, of the various ethnic groups and tribes in Africa. Each colored blot is a separate group. Today, it's actually believed this image understates the sheer number of various groups, and that the total amount is much higher.

These are groups that, historically, likely disagreed with each other. Groups that were at war and should have NEVER been grouped in one nation (You can see the modern lines in black on the image), were suddenly thrown together without a care in the world from the European governments as to who they grouped, or what the fuck their history is.

Add, on top of this, the sheer destruction and chaos the Europeans brought in with their "colonization". As I said earlier, a prime example is the Congo, where the Belgian colonizers, under the rule of King Leopold, executed millions and cut off hundred of thousands, if not millions, of hands from native people who refused to assist in the rubber collecting, or just did not do it fast enough.

Guess what? These atrocities occurred across much of the continent, under most of the colonizers. They did not give a fuck what they did or who they harmed. Yes, this happened across the globe under exploration and colonization, but it was exponentially worse in Africa. Going back to the Congo, when the Belgians packed up and left in the 1950's, out of millions of citizens, only roughly 20-25 had the equivalent of a college education.

So, you can say "Oh, the Europeans had some negative effects, but it was far from the majority!" all you want, but history does not lie. The Europeans took a continent that, yes, was behind, and destroyed it, pillaged it for resources, and left it in chaos. The civil wars and strife that we see today, all remnants of idiocy that came during colonization.

So you say these ethnic groups have always been at each other's throats, even before Europeans arrived, correct? If that's the case then how would some lines on a piece of paper change a single thing? These groups would still be fighting each other like they are now without Europe ever setting foot on the continent, But if you look at just about every country in the world then you would see that dozens of tribes and ethnic groups used to live their (Mongolia before Khan is a perfect example of this.) yet they are all one nation to this day, through the primary idea of military conquest (again, Khan and his take over of Mongolia). So my point is, without the interference of Europeans then these groups would still be fighting each other and would still be grouped into countries with the help of African warlords and such conquering areas

Colonization actually brought many benefits to Africa. One of the biggest was stabilization. Before Europe, groups were always fighting each other. After Europeans left, they went back to fight each other. When European powers ruled the fighting and hostilities either stopped or were highly scaled-back. Slavery was also abolished under Europeans, but as soon as they left it became rampant again. European involvement also modernized many parts of the continent

Of course, those who actually accepted it such as South Africa, Morocco, Egypt, and Botswana. Other nations are shit holes because they shunned Europeans and what they could offer them. Your single usage of Congo and Belgium is not a representation of all of Africa or Europe. Alternatively, the death of millions upon millions of natives by the Spanish against tribes like the Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas arguably dwarf that of Congo in scale of death and brutality

You also have African leaders like Robert Mugabe for not moving on from their colonial problems to blame for problems in Africa today.

We can continue arguing but I'm not in that much of a care mood to do so


 
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I have to disagree challeger. The social impacts of colonialism were horrible but, more often than not, the economic, technological and medicinal gains made up for it.

Shit, the wheel didn't exist in some parts of Africa as late as the 1800s.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
I have to disagree challeger. The social impacts of colonialism were horrible but, more often than not, the economic, technological and medicinal gains made up for it.

Shit, the wheel didn't exist in some parts of Africa as late as the 1800s.
listen here u cheeky kunt

They (the europoors) could have gone to Africa and shared technology and conducted fair trade. Not steal everything and murder countless Africans.
That's true, absolutely, and we should criticise the Europeans (especially the Belgians and British) for their conduct.

While saying that, however,  I think your counterfactual of simply sharing prosperity is unrealistic, and so I say colonialism was a net benefit in comparison to the Europeans potentially leaving Africa completely alone. I'm not saying the Europeans shouldn't be criticised for their conduct, because they absolutely should be.


 
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oh, this is such a loaded question

just link a .pdf to your research paper you sly little dog.