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Quote from: IcyWind on October 29, 2014, 06:40:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:08:52 PMOh lord. People still have discussions with Kinder?Wouldn't the Serious board be better off if we just ignored Kinder and Dustbin? I mean fucking PSU is better than both of them combined.We could just ignore you as well.You're doing a great job already. But seeing how Dustbin is a troll, and Kinder refuses to be civil or admit when he's wrong, it's a pretty good idea. Like I said, you'll get more intelligence and civility from PSU than the both of them put together.
Quote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:08:52 PMOh lord. People still have discussions with Kinder?Wouldn't the Serious board be better off if we just ignored Kinder and Dustbin? I mean fucking PSU is better than both of them combined.We could just ignore you as well.
Oh lord. People still have discussions with Kinder?Wouldn't the Serious board be better off if we just ignored Kinder and Dustbin? I mean fucking PSU is better than both of them combined.
Quote from: Kinder on October 29, 2014, 05:15:18 PMFDR, like Lincoln, is given far more credit than he should receiveI don't disagree, to be honest, but then so are some of the most popular presidents like Reagan and Clinton. I respect FDR more as a person than a politician, I'd say. Quotein 1933 he passed a law that made possession of GOLD a CRIMINAL OFFENSE with a fine of $10K and up to 10 years in prisonI don't know much about the issue, but I presume you're talking about Executive Order 6102. The point was that the hoarding of gold was deflationary, and extremely limiting the capacity of monetary policy to combat the Great Depression which is widely regarded among economists - and Ben Bernanke, former Fed Chairman - as being the leading cause for the intensity of the downturn. QuoteWhile we talk all how Concentration Camps in Germany were evil and infringed on people's rights, America was doing the same thing with FDR's executive order that abolished civil rights of American citizens with Japanese heritage and subjected them to Internment Camps where overcrowding, poor sanitation systems, and few available medical services was all too commonI agree that this is probably the blackest marks of FDR's tenure, but I don't think it can even begin to be compared to the devices of the Nazis and the conditions in the camps were largely dependent on whichever government entity was running it. QuoteOn the subject of violating civil rights, he violated blacks as well with the New Deal. The introduction of a minimum wage cost blacks hundreds of thousands of jobs, along with the requirement that all workers had to be part of a labor union, which were nearly based on skin colorI disagree. Blacks faired very well under the New Deal, particularly the CCC. There was certainly a race issue, and policies were unfavourable to blacks on occasion, but I think that has more to do with the fact that we're discussing 1930s America as opposed to just FDR's presidency.
FDR, like Lincoln, is given far more credit than he should receive
in 1933 he passed a law that made possession of GOLD a CRIMINAL OFFENSE with a fine of $10K and up to 10 years in prison
While we talk all how Concentration Camps in Germany were evil and infringed on people's rights, America was doing the same thing with FDR's executive order that abolished civil rights of American citizens with Japanese heritage and subjected them to Internment Camps where overcrowding, poor sanitation systems, and few available medical services was all too common
On the subject of violating civil rights, he violated blacks as well with the New Deal. The introduction of a minimum wage cost blacks hundreds of thousands of jobs, along with the requirement that all workers had to be part of a labor union, which were nearly based on skin color
“Those places are inhabited by some 8 million dark-skinned gentlemen and I don’t want them coming to the United States and adding to the problem we already have with our 13 million black men. I tell you, Winston, it’s just a headache and you can keep it”
Jefferson (approved Lewis and Clark exploration; doubled the size of the U.S; effectively ended importation fo slaves; First Barbary War marked America as a major international power as the first war conducted on foreign soil)Kennedy (Gave way to American landings on Moon; Civil Right Act; Nuclear Test Ban Treaty; Handle of Cuban Missile Crisis)Eisenhower (Interstate Highway System; reason for the space race; desegregation of military)Teddy Roosevelt (ended the monopoly system; greatly expanded conservation; Passage of the Meat Inspection Act and Pure Food and Drug Act)
I'd have to say FDR, Reagan, LBJ and then Obama.
I'm no economist expert-guru but if I correctly remember, the depression worsened when the Fed started to raise interest rates which caused business going bankrupt (making more people unemployed) because the cost to conduct business skyrocketed.
Quote from: Rick From PawnStars on October 29, 2014, 08:05:57 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:43:56 PMQuote from: IcyWind on October 29, 2014, 06:40:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:08:52 PMOh lord. People still have discussions with Kinder?Wouldn't the Serious board be better off if we just ignored Kinder and Dustbin? I mean fucking PSU is better than both of them combined.We could just ignore you as well.You're doing a great job already. But seeing how Dustbin is a troll, and Kinder refuses to be civil or admit when he's wrong, it's a pretty good idea. Like I said, you'll get more intelligence and civility from PSU than the both of them put together.You know son, I don't rightfully know who you are but when you say a person is not civil but come in a thread and make multiple responses that are not on topic with the subject, the only person not being civil and not worth having a discussion with is you.Seeing how you're someone's alt, I'm not going to take you seriously. All Kinder and Dustbin do is start arguments. But hey, I'm obviously not being civil by suggesting we ignore them so this board is better. Thanks gimmick account.
Quote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:43:56 PMQuote from: IcyWind on October 29, 2014, 06:40:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:08:52 PMOh lord. People still have discussions with Kinder?Wouldn't the Serious board be better off if we just ignored Kinder and Dustbin? I mean fucking PSU is better than both of them combined.We could just ignore you as well.You're doing a great job already. But seeing how Dustbin is a troll, and Kinder refuses to be civil or admit when he's wrong, it's a pretty good idea. Like I said, you'll get more intelligence and civility from PSU than the both of them put together.You know son, I don't rightfully know who you are but when you say a person is not civil but come in a thread and make multiple responses that are not on topic with the subject, the only person not being civil and not worth having a discussion with is you.
Quote from: Kinder on October 30, 2014, 07:02:10 AMQuote from: challengerX on October 30, 2014, 04:47:07 AMQuote from: Rick From PawnStars on October 29, 2014, 08:05:57 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:43:56 PMQuote from: IcyWind on October 29, 2014, 06:40:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:08:52 PMOh lord. People still have discussions with Kinder?Wouldn't the Serious board be better off if we just ignored Kinder and Dustbin? I mean fucking PSU is better than both of them combined.We could just ignore you as well.You're doing a great job already. But seeing how Dustbin is a troll, and Kinder refuses to be civil or admit when he's wrong, it's a pretty good idea. Like I said, you'll get more intelligence and civility from PSU than the both of them put together.You know son, I don't rightfully know who you are but when you say a person is not civil but come in a thread and make multiple responses that are not on topic with the subject, the only person not being civil and not worth having a discussion with is you.Seeing how you're someone's alt, I'm not going to take you seriously. All Kinder and Dustbin do is start arguments. But hey, I'm obviously not being civil by suggesting we ignore them so this board is better. Thanks gimmick account.>says all kinder and dustin do is start arguments>is the one who came in this thread, posted something off-topic, and directed negatively against two other users>is the one who does this on constant basisI posted something on topic, but then when I saw you start vomiting your bullshit into this thread I suggested we ignore you and Dustbin. All you people do is attack others for their opinions. Like I said, I may not agree with PSU a lot of times, but he's a hell of a lot more mature than both of you guys.
Quote from: challengerX on October 30, 2014, 04:47:07 AMQuote from: Rick From PawnStars on October 29, 2014, 08:05:57 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:43:56 PMQuote from: IcyWind on October 29, 2014, 06:40:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:08:52 PMOh lord. People still have discussions with Kinder?Wouldn't the Serious board be better off if we just ignored Kinder and Dustbin? I mean fucking PSU is better than both of them combined.We could just ignore you as well.You're doing a great job already. But seeing how Dustbin is a troll, and Kinder refuses to be civil or admit when he's wrong, it's a pretty good idea. Like I said, you'll get more intelligence and civility from PSU than the both of them put together.You know son, I don't rightfully know who you are but when you say a person is not civil but come in a thread and make multiple responses that are not on topic with the subject, the only person not being civil and not worth having a discussion with is you.Seeing how you're someone's alt, I'm not going to take you seriously. All Kinder and Dustbin do is start arguments. But hey, I'm obviously not being civil by suggesting we ignore them so this board is better. Thanks gimmick account.>says all kinder and dustin do is start arguments>is the one who came in this thread, posted something off-topic, and directed negatively against two other users>is the one who does this on constant basis
Whoops, I missed this squabble <_<And it seems to have blown over, so well done everyone have a gold star.
and Kinder refuses to be civil or admit when he's wrong
Quote from: Kinder on October 30, 2014, 07:22:19 AMQuote from: challengerX on October 30, 2014, 07:18:05 AMQuote from: Kinder on October 30, 2014, 07:02:10 AMQuote from: challengerX on October 30, 2014, 04:47:07 AMQuote from: Rick From PawnStars on October 29, 2014, 08:05:57 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:43:56 PMQuote from: IcyWind on October 29, 2014, 06:40:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:08:52 PMOh lord. People still have discussions with Kinder?Wouldn't the Serious board be better off if we just ignored Kinder and Dustbin? I mean fucking PSU is better than both of them combined.We could just ignore you as well.You're doing a great job already. But seeing how Dustbin is a troll, and Kinder refuses to be civil or admit when he's wrong, it's a pretty good idea. Like I said, you'll get more intelligence and civility from PSU than the both of them put together.You know son, I don't rightfully know who you are but when you say a person is not civil but come in a thread and make multiple responses that are not on topic with the subject, the only person not being civil and not worth having a discussion with is you.Seeing how you're someone's alt, I'm not going to take you seriously. All Kinder and Dustbin do is start arguments. But hey, I'm obviously not being civil by suggesting we ignore them so this board is better. Thanks gimmick account.>says all kinder and dustin do is start arguments>is the one who came in this thread, posted something off-topic, and directed negatively against two other users>is the one who does this on constant basisI posted something on topic, but then when I saw you start vomiting your bullshit into this thread I suggested we ignore you and Dustbin. All you people do is attack others for their opinions. Like I said, I may not agree with PSU a lot of times, but he's a hell of a lot more mature than both of you guys.>vomiting bullshit>was commented positively by 2 others>nothing said was aggressiveChally, I think the issue here is you because you're the only person attacking others, including opinions, and being immature. Your off-topic responses in this thread perfectly show itJust calling my opinion "vomiting bullshit" is very aggressive towards a persons opinionBecause people can't hold the same opinions? You're not the only person to say ignorant things. If you take a look at the thread, I made an on topic reply, which is about as on topic as I wanted to go. Then I saw you and Meta having a discussion and you acting like the Jap camps in America even compare to the concentration camps for the Jews in Europe. It's bullshit. The camps were horrible, but the fact that the camps for the Jews were kill camps and the ones in America for the Japanese were containment camps is a HUGE difference. There's no excuse for what happened, but there is a huge difference. You always say something blatantly wrong, and when anybody tries to explain why you're wrong and it being a learning experience for you, you get defensive as shit and start slinging insults around. If you'd actually discuss things properly and just share ideas like a normal person, I wouldn't be saying this. And Dustbin is just a troll, so that's all that needs to be said there.
Quote from: challengerX on October 30, 2014, 07:18:05 AMQuote from: Kinder on October 30, 2014, 07:02:10 AMQuote from: challengerX on October 30, 2014, 04:47:07 AMQuote from: Rick From PawnStars on October 29, 2014, 08:05:57 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:43:56 PMQuote from: IcyWind on October 29, 2014, 06:40:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:08:52 PMOh lord. People still have discussions with Kinder?Wouldn't the Serious board be better off if we just ignored Kinder and Dustbin? I mean fucking PSU is better than both of them combined.We could just ignore you as well.You're doing a great job already. But seeing how Dustbin is a troll, and Kinder refuses to be civil or admit when he's wrong, it's a pretty good idea. Like I said, you'll get more intelligence and civility from PSU than the both of them put together.You know son, I don't rightfully know who you are but when you say a person is not civil but come in a thread and make multiple responses that are not on topic with the subject, the only person not being civil and not worth having a discussion with is you.Seeing how you're someone's alt, I'm not going to take you seriously. All Kinder and Dustbin do is start arguments. But hey, I'm obviously not being civil by suggesting we ignore them so this board is better. Thanks gimmick account.>says all kinder and dustin do is start arguments>is the one who came in this thread, posted something off-topic, and directed negatively against two other users>is the one who does this on constant basisI posted something on topic, but then when I saw you start vomiting your bullshit into this thread I suggested we ignore you and Dustbin. All you people do is attack others for their opinions. Like I said, I may not agree with PSU a lot of times, but he's a hell of a lot more mature than both of you guys.>vomiting bullshit>was commented positively by 2 others>nothing said was aggressiveChally, I think the issue here is you because you're the only person attacking others, including opinions, and being immature. Your off-topic responses in this thread perfectly show itJust calling my opinion "vomiting bullshit" is very aggressive towards a persons opinion
Obviously we didn't perform outlandish "medical" experiments or commit mass murder, but there was no Constitutional basis to seize a large group of people without any probable cause. The equivalent today would to round up all persons of Yemen origin and detain them, despite having no legal backing.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on October 30, 2014, 08:16:33 AMQuote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:43:56 PM and Kinder refuses to be civil or admit when he's wrongYou're equally guilty of this, if not worse.Nope. I never get into a discussion and tell somebody they're wrong unless I know I'm 100% right. Otherwise it's a discussion and opinions are shared.
Quote from: challengerX on October 29, 2014, 06:43:56 PM and Kinder refuses to be civil or admit when he's wrongYou're equally guilty of this, if not worse.
Who do you think are the four best presidents?
