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Which statement seems more true?

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I have a brain.

Or:

I am a brain.


 
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"I am a brain", of course.
There really is no "you" or "I"--there are just brains, consciousnesses.

So, technically speaking, when we say, "I think..." we should instead be obliged to say "my brain thinks..."
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I am a brain.

Everything else is just a complex system of functions dependent on the brain.


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Everything that makes me, "Me," is my brain.


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"Ornate chandeliers suspended from a vaulted ceiling lit the spacious chamber; Jack tilted his gaze overhead and noticed how far away they were.  His thoughts wove around those bright lights, like a dance of ether masses spiraling in precious unison. Why must we try to clutch desperately for the mere threads of this world when we can clasp onto a tapestry of untold magnificence beyond this plane of existence?"
Well, some people are more defined by other areas of their body then their brain/mind

Individuals can be thought of as characters in the broad sense, we're more than just our minds.



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The former makes more sense since your brain is just one of many organs in your body.


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So wtf is this?

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A husk?



Oh and "I have a brain" seems more true imo.... as we are organisms and our bodu itself is a major extension of our personality.


It would be interesting to see what a human brain would do without a body. If it could even perceive the concept of a reality......

If we could somehow interpret what it was "reasoning" it would probably be pretty primal/alien.


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
I do understand the point in the second option, but I think that my being is a sum of my points. I would not be the same person if I didn't have legs: I couldn't have my job, I couldn't longboard, I couldn't do a lot of shit. I don't say that my legs are my life though, because they are but one part lf what makes me, "me".

I wouldn't "be" without my brain, but I wouldn't be "me" without any major organ or extremity; so if we're talking about what is "me", it's my person and personality in full.


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I have a brain.

If I was just a brain without the rest of my body then I would die quite quickly, so it only makes sense to consider myself as a collection of life support systems. So in the same way that I have lungs and I have a digestive tract, I have a brain.


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
So wtf is this?

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A husk?



Oh and "I have a brain" seems more true imo.... as we are organisms and our bodu itself is a major extension of our personality.


It would be interesting to see what a human brain would do without a body. If it could even perceive the concept of a reality......

If we could somehow interpret what it was "reasoning" it would probably be pretty primal/alien.
There have been babies born with only the brain stem formed. Full body paralysis, no thought, had to be force-fed and frequently stretched so the limbs didn't atrophy. The latest one lived to be 4, iirc.


 
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I don't agree that our bodies are part of us. Our bodies are nothing. You could have a different body, and you'd still be the same person. You could have no body, and you'd still be the same person.

You aren't a different person if you wear a different shirt.
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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
you can't switch bodies like you can switch shirts, though.


 
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you can't switch bodies like you can switch shirts, though.
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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
you can't switch bodies like you can switch shirts, though.
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If you could switch bodies like you can switch shirts, your point would have more merit, but you're stuck with your body, it is a part of you, subconsciously this is fact.


 
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you can't switch bodies like you can switch shirts, though.
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If you could switch bodies like you can switch shirts, your point would have more merit, but you're stuck with your body, it is a part of you, subconsciously this is fact.
The point is that if we could change our bodies, it wouldn't make a lick of difference in terms of our personalities.

That's because personality, the self, the thing you call "I", isn't anatomical.
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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
I don't agree that our bodies are part of us. Our bodies are nothing. You could have a different body, and you'd still be the same person. You could have no body, and you'd still be the same person.

You aren't a different person if you wear a different shirt.
If I had a different body, I'd be taller or shorter; fatter or skinnier (initially); my hands would change, my feet would change, a lot of things would change. These things make a difference psychologically, as in what your body is like (or your perception of it, at least) influences things like your self-esteem and thereby your lifestyle habits.

I would not be me if I had a different body, it's a simple as that.


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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
you can't switch bodies like you can switch shirts, though.
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If you could switch bodies like you can switch shirts, your point would have more merit, but you're stuck with your body, it is a part of you, subconsciously this is fact.
The point is that if we could change our bodies, it wouldn't make a lick of difference in terms of our personalities.

That's because personality, the self, the thing you call "I", isn't anatomical.
I've understood that from the time I first replied to you, apologizes if it wasn't obvious enough in my last post.

When someone that loses an arm dreams they still have that arm in their dreams, it has a place in their brain even after it is gone. Your body and brain are connected to each other, while you could theoretically transfer brains between bodies, I cannot imagine it being a most pleasant ordeal, or that you would ever dream or identify with anything other than your original body in your subconscious.


 
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I don't agree that our bodies are part of us. Our bodies are nothing. You could have a different body, and you'd still be the same person. You could have no body, and you'd still be the same person.

You aren't a different person if you wear a different shirt.
If I had a different body, I'd be taller or shorter; fatter or skinnier (initially); my hands would change, my feet would change, a lot of things would change. These things make a difference psychologically, as in what your body is like (or your perception of it, at least) influences things like your self-esteem and thereby your lifestyle habits.

I would not be me if I had a different body, it's a simple as that.
You would have a reaction on your new body, certainly.

I fail to see how that isn't your own reaction, and not some new individual's.

Do you become a different person every time your brain chemistry changes as a result of all stimuli?
If not, why should a change in body be any different?
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While it's nice to theorize there's absolutely no way to know for sure whether or not you would be the same person if you found yourself in a different body without actually transferring yourself to a different body.

I could quite easily claim that everyone who swaps over to a different body acquires the personality of a professional snooker player, but I have nothing to back that up.


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
I don't agree that our bodies are part of us. Our bodies are nothing. You could have a different body, and you'd still be the same person. You could have no body, and you'd still be the same person.

You aren't a different person if you wear a different shirt.
If I had a different body, I'd be taller or shorter; fatter or skinnier (initially); my hands would change, my feet would change, a lot of things would change. These things make a difference psychologically, as in what your body is like (or your perception of it, at least) influences things like your self-esteem and thereby your lifestyle habits.

I would not be me if I had a different body, it's a simple as that.
You would have a reaction on your new body, certainly.

I fail to see how that isn't your own reaction, and not some new individual's.

Do you become a different person every time your brain chemistry changes as a result of all stimuli?
If not, why should a change in body be any different?
I'm not arguing that my initial thoughts would change, my brain is still my brain afterall; but after the shock wore off, I'd be changed mentally as well. That's what happens when your body changes with just a n alteration of body image; I don't think it's crazy to say it'd be much more drastic with a completely new body.

I would exist, but I wouldn't be me anymore. That's the point I'm making.


 
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When someone that loses an arm dreams they still have that arm in their dreams, it has a place in their brain even after it is gone. Your body and brain are connected to each other, while you could theoretically transfer brains between bodies, I cannot imagine it being a most pleasant ordeal, or that you would ever dream or identify with anything other than your original body in your subconscious.
When I was in Europe for three weeks, part of the procedure was for me to wear a lanyard with my name on it the entire time. We were advised to never take it off so that we'd never lose it, so I never took it off once.

When I got home, even when I first took it off, I still felt like I had it on.

So what? That doesn't mean I'm "connected" to my lanyard--that's just how memory works.

Whether or not the switch would be a pleasant experience doesn't have to do with anything--it wouldn't change you as a person, is my ultimate point. As far as it not being "you" anymore. Sure, being in a fat person's body might teach you a little something about being fat.

But learning things doesn't make you a different person--it makes you a smarter, more experienced person.
But not a different person. That's just plain silly.


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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
I don't agree that our bodies are part of us. Our bodies are nothing. You could have a different body, and you'd still be the same person. You could have no body, and you'd still be the same person.

You aren't a different person if you wear a different shirt.
If I had a different body, I'd be taller or shorter; fatter or skinnier (initially); my hands would change, my feet would change, a lot of things would change. These things make a difference psychologically, as in what your body is like (or your perception of it, at least) influences things like your self-esteem and thereby your lifestyle habits.

I would not be me if I had a different body, it's a simple as that.
You would have a reaction on your new body, certainly.

I fail to see how that isn't your own reaction, and not some new individual's.

Do you become a different person every time your brain chemistry changes as a result of all stimuli?
If not, why should a change in body be any different?
I'd argue that you do, slowly piece by piece you change to a new person over time. I think 10 year old me has a significant difference in thinking and belief compared to me now to make it a false statement to say we would be the same.


 
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I'm not arguing that my initial thoughts would change, my brain is still my brain afterall; but after the shock wore off, I'd be changed mentally as well. That's what happens when your body changes with just a n alteration of body image; I don't think it's crazy to say it'd be much more drastic with a completely new body.

I would exist, but I wouldn't be me anymore. That's the point I'm making.
You wouldn't have the thing you identify with the very most anymore. I won't deny that, but I think that's all you can say.


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
While it's nice to theorize there's absolutely no way to know for sure whether or not you would be the same person if you found yourself in a different body without actually transferring yourself to a different body.

I could quite easily claim that everyone who swaps over to a different body acquires the personality of a professional snooker player, but I have nothing to back that up.
Nobody is saying that you'd suddenly know how to play the flute and walk on your hands; you just wouldn't have the same perceptions ad you previously did, thereby irrevocably changing your outlook and, to that end, personality.


 
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I'd argue that you do, slowly piece by piece you change to a new person over time. I think 10 year old me has a significant difference in thinking and belief compared to me now to make it a false statement to say we would be the same.
Well, that is just a little bit too silly for me.

We can mature, we can change, we can develop--but whatever consciousness is there, whoever you identify as, that's you, and that's who you'll remain to be.

I am Jacob Potila today, and if I switched bodies, I would STILL be Jacob Potila.
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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
I'm not arguing that my initial thoughts would change, my brain is still my brain afterall; but after the shock wore off, I'd be changed mentally as well. That's what happens when your body changes with just a n alteration of body image; I don't think it's crazy to say it'd be much more drastic with a completely new body.

I would exist, but I wouldn't be me anymore. That's the point I'm making.
You wouldn't have the thing you identify with the very most anymore. I won't deny that, but I think that's all you can say.
I'd say that this back and forth is more about defining the term "me"; I'd say it's a combination of physical traits and personality. From what I gather, you'd say it's the extent of a brain capable of processing information.


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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
When someone that loses an arm dreams they still have that arm in their dreams, it has a place in their brain even after it is gone. Your body and brain are connected to each other, while you could theoretically transfer brains between bodies, I cannot imagine it being a most pleasant ordeal, or that you would ever dream or identify with anything other than your original body in your subconscious.
When I was in Europe for three weeks, part of the procedure was for me to wear a lanyard with my name on it the entire time. We were advised to never take it off so that we'd never lose it, so I never took it off once.

When I got home, even when I first took it off, I still felt like I had it on.

So what? That doesn't mean I'm "connected" to my lanyard--that's just how memory works.

Whether or not the switch would be a pleasant experience doesn't have to do with anything--it wouldn't change you as a person, is my ultimate point. As far as it not being "you" anymore. Sure, being in a fat person's body might teach you a little something about being fat.

But learning things doesn't make you a different person--it makes you a smarter, more experienced person.
But not a different person. That's just plain silly.
I think there's a difference between remembering some object that you keep near you and the brain's region that is connected to certain parts of your body. This isn't just something defined by the brain's memory.


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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
I'd argue that you do, slowly piece by piece you change to a new person over time. I think 10 year old me has a significant difference in thinking and belief compared to me now to make it a false statement to say we would be the same.
Well, that is just a little bit too silly for me.

We can mature, we can change, we can develop--but whatever consciousness is there, whoever you identify as, that's you, and that's who you'll remain to be.

I am Jacob Potila today, and if I switched bodies, I would STILL be Jacob Potila.
But what defines Jacob Potila? I find it doubtful that it has always been the exact same things. You can identify with a name for it can be something that won't change for you, sure. What defines your identity is fluid, so I find it odd to think of your identity as something solid.


 
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I'm not arguing that my initial thoughts would change, my brain is still my brain afterall; but after the shock wore off, I'd be changed mentally as well. That's what happens when your body changes with just a n alteration of body image; I don't think it's crazy to say it'd be much more drastic with a completely new body.

I would exist, but I wouldn't be me anymore. That's the point I'm making.
You wouldn't have the thing you identify with the very most anymore. I won't deny that, but I think that's all you can say.
I'd say that this back and forth is more about defining the term "me"; I'd say it's a combination of physical traits and personality. From what I gather, you'd say it's the extent of a brain capable of processing information.
I would just one word--consciousness. Your consciousness comprises... you, and nothing else.

You've had your body for almost twenty years, so you're understandably attached to it. I'm quite attached to mine as well. Would I be comfortable switching? No. Would I lose my identity, my thoughts, my opinions, my beliefs, my interests, and everything else that makes me me? No, absolutely not.

And if I did, then clearly, something went wrong--we didn't do the experiment right.

You're trying to say, I think, that the experiment would invariably go wrong, and I have a problem with that.
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But what defines Jacob Potila? I find it doubtful that it has always been the exact same things. You can identify with a name for it can be something that won't change for you, sure. What defines your identity is fluid, so I find it odd to think of your identity as something solid.
I've made it clear already that I haven't always been the "same thing." I've learned a lot in the last twenty years. What defines you is your personality, your thoughts, your opinions, and your interests--all of this is located in your conscious brain.

If that's what's being transferred over, theoretically, you wouldn't just lose that shit.