Life in prison.

Life in prison with a plea of guilty, death penalty otherwise.

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on April 19, 2015, 07:19:40 PM

Life in prison with a plea of guilty, death penalty otherwise.

Why should he get the death penalty to begin with?

For bombing the marathon.

And why should he get a lighter punishment for not pleading guilty? [I think you meant to say "for pleading guilty"]

Recognition of his guilt, which he shows no signs of currently.

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on April 19, 2015, 07:24:43 PM

Recognition of his guilt, which he shows no signs of currently.

No, I meant what I said. FFS he's like 21 now. Explain to me how being locked in a maximum security prison for 50-60 years is lighter than being quickly and (close to) painlessly executed.

Regardless of all but the most extreme circumstances (Federal prison no being one of them), life is always preferable to death. I don't think living in prison is more of a punishment than death. He'll live relatively comfortably, he'll have access to free education, healthcare, reading, entertainment, food, and exercise. I'd rather not see the guy responsible for hundreds of ruined lives get that treatment.

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on April 19, 2015, 07:35:39 PM

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Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on April 19, 2015, 07:24:43 PM

Recognition of his guilt, which he shows no signs of currently.

No, I meant what I said. FFS he's like 21 now. Explain to me how being locked in a maximum security prison for 50-60 years is lighter than being quickly and (close to) painlessly executed.

Regardless of all but the most extreme circumstances (Federal prison no being one of them), life is always preferable to death. I don't think living in prison is more of a punishment than death.

Then how come you have many inmates stuck in those situations either committing suicide or being placed on suicide watch? Clearly, the prisoners actually in that position think otherwise.

Okay, and there are people outside of prison that commit suicide, too. That doesn't mean death is better than life. Tsarnaev is more than welcome to kill himself in prison.

But anyways, do you *really* think that Dzhokar will have free education, entertainment, and exercise other than the bare minimum? It doesn't mean that just because he gets life in prison, that he'll get access to all of those things. The US is gonna become a shitstorm if they give them any of those things.

Well yeah, of course. It depends on what prison he goes to, but he'll have access to the basics.

There is no evidence to suggest that the Death Penalty is an effective deterrent though.

Not to mention the astronomical costs the taxpayer has to bear the brunt of to try and get someone convicted for the death penalty. Bureaucracy isn't cheap funnily enough.

It's about punishment, not deterrent. I think Tsarnaev deserves to be executed for his participation in the bombing.

As for cost, while the trial for the death penalty is more expensive than a trial for life in prison, when you factor in the actual cost of incarcerating someone for life, it far exceeds that of the trial.

Regardless, justice shouldn't be meted out based on cost.

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 19, 2015, 07:57:43 PM

There is no evidence to suggest that the Death Penalty is an effective deterrent though.

Not to mention the astronomical costs the taxpayer has to bear the brunt of to try and get someone convicted for the death penalty. Bureaucracy isn't cheap funnily enough.

It's about punishment, not deterrent. I think Tsarnaev deserves to be executed for his participation in the bombing.

As for cost, while the trial for the death penalty is more expensive than a trial for life in prison, when you factor in the actual cost of incarcerating someone for life, it far exceeds that of the trial.

Regardless, justice shouldn't be meted out based on cost.

60 years of rotting in a small prison cell is worse than death.

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 19, 2015, 07:57:43 PM

There is no evidence to suggest that the Death Penalty is an effective deterrent though.

Not to mention the astronomical costs the taxpayer has to bear the brunt of to try and get someone convicted for the death penalty. Bureaucracy isn't cheap funnily enough.

It's about punishment, not deterrent. I think Tsarnaev deserves to be executed for his participation in the bombing.

As for cost, while the trial for the death penalty is more expensive than a trial for life in prison, when you factor in the actual cost of incarcerating someone for life, it far exceeds that of the trial.

Regardless, justice shouldn't be meted out based on cost.

Losing basic liberties is punishment enough. If there was evidence that proved capital punishment kept criminality down, I'd be in support of it. Having the state execute someone because muh justice isn't good enough for me, however. Not to mention over 150 innocent people have died on death row.

Incorrect. Maintaining death row prisoners costs the taxpayer $90,000 more per year than a prisoner in the general population.

Losing basic liberties is punishment enough.

That's an opinion, and I disagree with it.

If there was evidence that proved capital punishment kept criminality down, I'd be in support of it.

Lack of evidence =/= lack of correlation, and here it's a punishment, rather than a deterrent.

Having the state execute someone because muh justice isn't good enough for me, however.

Okay, well memes aside, all criminal sentences are a result of 'muh justice'. You saying that isn't at all an adequate refutation of the idea that a guy that maimed hundreds of civilians and pleads not guilty doesn't deserve the harshest punishment available.

Not to mention over 150 innocent people have died on death row.

Alrighty, so either this is a non sequitur or you're claiming that Tsarnaev could possibly be innocent.

Incorrect. Maintaining death row prisoners costs the taxpayer $90,000 more per year than a prisoner in the general population.

When citing something, it helps to actually quote what you're referring to. I can't find "90,000" in the text, and searching for "per year" doesn't help. The conclusion also doesn't state anything like that. Regardless, the meting out of justice shouldn't be hinged on cost when comparing two viable alternatives.

Life obviously. Besides wasn't his brother the main bomber? And he already got shot so....

Blow off all his limbs and beat him to death with them

8th Amendment

He's too cute to die.

Actually, he's too cute for prison. #freedzhokhar

He deserves worse than death, he's a serial killer. Let him in with some of the most dangerous people on the planet, and let the inmates have their way with him until he rots.

Lol you have no idea what a serial killer is.

Quote from: Mega Sceptile on April 19, 2015, 09:39:10 PM

He deserves worse than death, he's a serial killer. Let him in with some of the most dangerous people on the planet, and let the inmates have their way with him until he rots.

Lol you have no idea what a serial killer is.

I don't give a fuck about the definition of a serial killing kiyo, he killed 3 people and injured more than 200. he's a monster and he deserves to rot.