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Life in prison without parole.
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What should Dzhohkar Tsarnaev's punishment be?

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He should be let go tbh. He did nothing wrong.

 
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Life in Prison, but then again I'm just against the death penalty in general and especially so if there is the slimmest of chances for reformation and re-education.

 
 
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kill him

why are people so scared of killing terrible people

 
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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

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The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
Quote from: challengerX on April 24, 2015, 02:28:33 PM
Quote from: Prime Meridia on April 24, 2015, 10:46:34 AM
Life in Prison, but then again I'm just against the death penalty in general and especially so if there is the slimmest of chances for reformation and re-education.
LOL
He's an idiot, a radical, and a murderer. Two of those can be treated and the other punished for. Killing for killing is just silly.

 
 
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i don't think that's what we'd be killing him for, though

just because we can treat him doesn't mean it'll be worth it in the end
what the fuck is he gonna do for the rest of his life?

edit:

misinterpreted your message, it seemed like you were trying to say "killing him for the sake of it"
still yet, i fail to see how killing for killing is silly, especially since it wasn't just one person he killed
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imagine being an employer

are you gonna hire him even after he's been "rehabilitated"?

you'd have to be the dumbest motherfucker

No, he fucked up a little bit too hard. It happens. Put him out of his misery.

 
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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
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Life in Prison, but then again I'm just against the death penalty in general and especially so if there is the slimmest of chances for reformation and re-education.
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He's an idiot, a radical, and a murderer. Two of those can be treated and the other punished for. Killing for killing is just silly.
The death penalty is silly, yes.

But thinking you can rehabilitate this guy, and that it's even worth it, that's ridiculous.

Life with no chance of ever getting out.
Oh, I agree. But I don't think punishment should be the main goal of prison. That priority should be rehabilitation, even in cases like this. Even if it is a very slim chance, it's still better than giving up.

 
 
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I wouldn't even call death a punishment at that point.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on April 24, 2015, 03:03:12 PM
And make him a martyr? No.
who in the FUCK cares if he's considered a "martyr" by a fringe layer of evil fucks and crazy cunts

nobody who isn't a petty moron, that's who

 
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well, that's certainly a better argument than  the "b-b-b-but, we can't... KILL people! what if he's actually a nice guy deep down!?" bullshit that always comes into play in these discussions

but i still don't buy it just because i think, even if it does "encourage" our enemies, all that means to me is that our enemies are going to become more visible

and thus, more detainable

 
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Quote from: Verbatim on April 24, 2015, 03:31:34 PM
well, that's certainly a better argument than  the "b-b-b-but, we can't... KILL people! what if he's actually a nice guy deep down!?" bullshit that always comes into play in these discussions

but i still don't buy it just because i think, even if it does "encourage" our enemies, all that means to me is that our enemies are going to become more visible

and thus, more detainable
I don't anyone here who suggested life in prison for Dzhokhar wanted to do so because they actually value his life...

But yeah, if he's executed, pretty much every terror group is gonna gobble it up for propaganda and use it to attract more recruits.

If we execute him, we gain absolutely nothing, and we give free propaganda points for our enemies.

 
 
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Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 24, 2015, 03:37:03 PM
I don't anyone here who suggested life in prison for Dzhokhar wanted to do so because they actually value his life...
it's not that they value his life--it's valuing life in general

that's where the "killing for killing is wrong" argument comes from, because life is sacred, and everyone deserves a chance at life, and all that bullshit

it's just emotional babble with no logical bearing, and it's the most common thing you hear (or i hear) in these arguments
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If we execute him, we gain absolutely nothing,
are you SURE

 
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Quote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 24, 2015, 10:46:25 AM
He should be let go tbh. He did nothing wrong.
no shitposting in serious.

 
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Quote from: Verbatim on April 24, 2015, 03:43:56 PM
it's not that they value his life--it's valuing life in general

that's where the "killing for killing is wrong" argument comes from, because life is sacred, and everyone deserves a chance at life, and all that bullshit

it's just emotional babble with no logical bearing, and it's the most common thing you hear (or i hear) in these arguments
Oh god..

Doesn't look like you listened to the logical perspective that our enemies such as al-Qaeda and IS will masturbate to any execution of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and use it to attract more recruits. Executing the guy would just strengthen terrorist groups.

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No fucking shit I'm sure. Nothing is gained if we execute him. Except for another body to dispose of.

 
 
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Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 24, 2015, 03:48:59 PM
Oh god..

Doesn't look like you listened to the logical perspective that our enemies such as al-Qaeda and IS will masturbate to any execution of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and use it to attract more recruits. Executing the guy would just strengthen terrorist groups.
i've already conceded that it's a better argument than the example i just gave, i'm just saying that it tends to be all i ever hear, and if what you just said wasn't a problem, there should be no qualms whatsoever with killing him

which would be a gain, in it and of itself

we lost some crazy murderous fuck who's not going to contribute anything useful at any point in his miserable future?
GOOD

now he can't drain our resources or breathe our fucking air
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Quote from: Verbatim on April 24, 2015, 03:54:57 PM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 24, 2015, 03:48:59 PM
Oh god..

Doesn't look like you listened to the logical perspective that our enemies such as al-Qaeda and IS will masturbate to any execution of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and use it to attract more recruits. Executing the guy would just strengthen terrorist groups.
i've already conceded that it's a better argument than the example i just gave, i'm just saying that it tends to be all i ever hear, and if what you just said wasn't a problem, there should be no qualms whatsoever with killing him

which would be a gain, in it and of itself

we lost some crazy murderous fuck who's not going to contribute anything useful at any point in his miserable future?
GOOD

now he can't drain our resources or breathe our fucking air
id rather stick him in supermax for the rest of his life. its cheaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence#Prison_facility

this is 99% where he'd end up.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on April 24, 2015, 04:34:17 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 24, 2015, 03:31:34 PM
well, that's certainly a better argument than  the "b-b-b-but, we can't... KILL people! what if he's actually a nice guy deep down!?" bullshit that always comes into play in these discussions

but i still don't buy it just because i think, even if it does "encourage" our enemies, all that means to me is that our enemies are going to become more visible

and thus, more detainable
Nah.

Just more enemies. More determined. More enthusiastic.
I'll say it again.....

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Quote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 24, 2015, 10:46:25 AM
He should be let go tbh. He did nothing wrong.
Hitler also did nothing wrong.

 
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Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 25, 2015, 02:45:38 PM
Quote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 24, 2015, 10:46:25 AM
He should be let go tbh. He did nothing wrong.
Hitler also did nothing wrong.
well no shit

 
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He should be let go tbh. He did nothing wrong.
Hitler also did nothing wrong.
Well he lost the war so there's that...

 
 
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Quote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 25, 2015, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 25, 2015, 02:45:38 PM
Quote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 24, 2015, 10:46:25 AM
He should be let go tbh. He did nothing wrong.
Hitler also did nothing wrong.
Well he lost the war so there's that...
>Hitler did nothing wrong.

 
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