"Fuck Hillary, I'm going to vote for Trump out of spite!"
"I'm voting for Trump just to piss off those SJWs!"

Is this really what we're reducing ourselves to? This fucking puerile shit? I want you to seriously sit down and think about this for a moment: We are now voting for, and giving support towards, presidential candidates whose political belongings are diametrically opposed to what we actually believe in--FOR NO OTHER PURPOSE than to spite the establishment candidate known as Hillary Clinton, and her "SJW" supporters, too.

Now, maybe you're one of those chucklefucks who actually thinks Trump would be a good leader. Maybe you're one of those paint chip-eating troglodytes who just fell off the political turnip truck, and you have it in your head that Trump would be a genuine president of the USA, and not the jingoistic Mickey Mouse he presents himself to be. Okay, fine. If you're that person, this thread is not about you.

I'm speaking directly to the people who are voting for Trump on the sole basis of spite. I get it--Your utopic pie-in-the-sky pipe dream perfect paradise man, Bernie Sanders, has trailed behind Hillary's campaign on the word "go." The odds were heavily stacked in his favor, and both the media and the democratic party itself has made a cocksure effort of shutting down any inkling Sanders might have had a clinching the ticket--from the veritably undemocratic "superdelegate" system, to outright collusion and election fraud--and you have every right to be upset about these things.

But to shift your vote over to the complete opposite end of the political spectrum simply because you didn't get your way? To me, this is not the mentality of somebody who has surpassed the voting age. This sounds like a disgruntled child who's upset that they didn't have chocolate, so he had to settle for vanilla. I wish that were the truth, but these people are eligible voters, and they are basing their vote off of their emotions--which is the exact fucking opposite of what your vote should be.

Maybe that's not you, though. Maybe you never supported Sanders, and you just think Trump would be "funny." Since he lacks a filter, his antics during interviews, debates, and even his personal Twitter account have all been quite entertaining, because the guy just says and does whatever the fuck he wants. It's a spectacle. Well, let me tell you why that's absurd and myopic, jackass. Sure--Trump's retarded balancing act might be entertaining to watch for the first year. But what about the second year? And the third year? And the fourth year? How is it gonna be then?

By that point, no one's going to be laughing any more. By then, we'll be neck-deep in shit creek--and take a guess at how many paddles you'll have. That's right, the joke's over. Trump is president. Ha ha ha. Good joke. Have fun with your college debt. Try not to get your slacks soaked with too much shit off the streets. See if you don't have enough money for rent this month--oops, tautology. That goes without saying.

I'm exaggerating for effect, but my point is that, assuming Trump proves himself to be the EXACT bumbling idiot that we all knew he was going to be when he waddles over to the oval office, there is no humor. There's no joke. There's no punchline. You're voting for a jingo caricature of a human being because you think it would be funny, but you've completely forgotten that, if Trump should win, that's who we're stuck with for the next four years. The short-sightedness of this attitude really brings my piss to a boil.

And then there's the voters who don't like Trump, but will vote for him anyway, because they want to spite "SJWs." I've already talked about how petty and childish a spiteful voting attitude is. Allowing your emotions to take over. when the presidential election should be one of the most reason-based decisions of your life, is academically imbecilic. It's absolutely asinine. But some people take it a step further. It's not just Hillary they want to spite, no--they want to spit in the faces of all those goddamn SJWs, too. Because voting for someone you disagree with just to watch the incredulous reactions of a small group of people to whom you have petty personal grievances with is so rational.

This is even more juvenile than simply wanting to spite Hillary herself. This one doesn't even make sense to me. Here we have two candidates--both with mixed reception across every individual voting bloc. Some people love Hillary, some people hate her. Some people love Trump, some people hate him.

But because Hillary just happens to be backed by a particularly vocal group of people who call themselves "progressives" or "feminists," it suddenly becomes harder to support her. Why? Because "Wahhh, feminazis are SO annoying. Don't they know we have bigger problems to worry about!? And progressives? More like REGRESSIVES!! xDD I'm gonna vote against Hillary just to see the look on their faces!!!"

What is there even to say to that? Okay, fine. You're voting for Trump because you're a petty, myopic cunt who doesn't realize the gravity of the situation. Who doesn't realize that subjecting THE ENTIRE COUNTRY TO FOUR YEARS OF TRUMP is extraordinarily disproportionate retribution for your easily-offended limp-dick libertarian self, because the second you even hear the WORD "progressive," you get triggered harder than the most hardcore feminist on Tumblr. You fucking hypocrite.

Alternatively, I could just say this:

I'm gonna vote for Hillary, because I want to spite Trump supporters. I want to see the look on every fat fucking Trump supporter's face, when the establishment candidate--who was groomed to win since 2008 anyway--won.

I could say that, but I don't think that way. Because I realize that thinking that way is irrational. It's petty. It's childish. And it's absolutely the most immature possible way to assess your options for the President of the United States--the most politically influential office in the world.

I don't give a fuck who you support. I don't care if you support Trump or if you support Hillary. All I ask is that you make your decision a reasoned one. Do not vote out of spite. Do not vote because you're just in it for the show. Take a second to realize that--and this is where I start sounding cheesy--that your vote has the power to change the course of history. What will happen in the next four years is bigger than any of us could imagine.

So cut the bullshit, stick the thumb out of your ass, read up on your candidate's policies, and above all, make an informed decision--because if we make the wrong choice, well, we're in it for the long run.

Tru's gonna buy my vote for 15 quid.

I'd vote for him just to spite you now actually.

I'm not voting for Trump, I'm writing in my vote this year unfortunately because I can't support either. However, I tend to have a bit more sympathy for Trump than I do Hillary, it's not that I hate her or anything, but because she's a career politician I can't seem to get a grasp on whether or not she's honest with what she's saying, I guess I just see too much of the lawyer side in her.

Scott Adams also has a pretty interesting view on Trump that I believe is pretty sensible.

I'm sure every Hillary voter has a completely valid and well thought out reason for choosing her.

Hillary is the only choice. I don't like her but she's a fuckton better than Trump.
Bernie or bust is fucking stupid too.

Quote from: Ginger on June 10, 2016, 10:43:27 AM

Quote from: PsygnI on June 10, 2016, 09:12:12 AM

I don't understand why people don't abstain from the vote. Go register, and if you don't agree with either of the choices, abstain.

People say abstaining is retarded, but it's far better alternative to voting for your polar opposite. At least if there's a majority of abstentions, it shows the parties that frankly, the public don't like either of them and need to get their act together.

Not voting is lazy, emotionally charged voting/spite-voting is retarded; Abstaining shows you are unhappy with the system, and want a new one.

I do not vote. I am not even registered to vote. I chose to never register because I disagree with the two-party system. I thought that was a pretty good option. My not-voting isn't out of laziness, but as a matter of opposition to the current system. If someone is registered to vote already, then I agree with abstaining.

Wouldn't making your voice heard be more effective if you voted Libertarian in the year they probably have the biggest chance to make an impact? Hearing what Das said about it was pretty powerful.

The problem is that I don't think the system actually works for the people, and I no longer follow American politics enough to make an educated assessment. It really is a non-issue as of this point since I no longer reside in the US, but when I gain citizenship here, I will have to vote.

Quote from: PsygnI on June 10, 2016, 09:12:12 AM

I don't understand why people don't abstain from the vote. Go register, and if you don't agree with either of the choices, abstain.

People say abstaining is retarded, but it's far better alternative to voting for your polar opposite. At least if there's a majority of abstentions, it shows the parties that frankly, the public don't like either of them and need to get their act together.

Not voting is lazy, emotionally charged voting/spite-voting is retarded; Abstaining shows you are unhappy with the system, and want a new one.

Third parties, though.

Same applies there. The UK has 5-6 parties that are well known, but personally I don't find a great calling to any of them for different reasons. I still register (for when the votes aren't about parties like the EU referendum), but at least then I'm recorded on the system as taking the effort to not vote, if that makes sense.

Regardless, I often hear about America having "a bipartisan system" so I'm basing my hypothetical American vote on what little I know of politics there off that, so pardon my ignorance.