What IS this fucking mentality?

 
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Every vote for Trump cancels out a vote for Hillary, and vice versa. The immature 'spite' angle isn't the most cogent way of expressing it, but abstaining is even less effective. You have one of two choices; if you've decided that you can't stand for one, then there's no reason to not vote for the other.

That said, it's really dumb for Bernie supporters to not vote for Hillary.
Why would Berniebros vote for a warmongering Republican?


 
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Every vote for Trump cancels out a vote for Hillary, and vice versa. The immature 'spite' angle isn't the most cogent way of expressing it, but abstaining is even less effective. You have one of two choices; if you've decided that you can't stand for one, then there's no reason to not vote for the other.

That said, it's really dumb for Bernie supporters to not vote for Hillary.
Why would Berniebros vote for a warmongering Republican?
Because their mindset is quite simply

"My candidate didn't win and I don't like Hillary, so I'm gonna vote for Trump for the lulz".

It shows they weren't even with Bernie's ideology at all, and were simply there to support someone who had momentum and the youngins.


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I don't understand why people don't abstain from the vote. Go register, and if you don't agree with either of the choices, abstain.

People say abstaining is retarded, but it's far better alternative to voting for your polar opposite. At least if there's a majority of abstentions, it shows the parties that frankly, the public don't like either of them and need to get their act together.

Not voting is lazy, emotionally charged voting/spite-voting is retarded; Abstaining shows you are unhappy with the system, and want a new one.
I do not vote. I am not even registered to vote. I chose to never register because I disagree with the two-party system. I thought that was a pretty good option. My not-voting isn't out of laziness, but as a matter of opposition to the current system. If someone is registered to vote already, then I agree with abstaining.
Wouldn't making your voice heard be more effective if you voted Libertarian in the year they probably have the biggest chance to make an impact? Hearing what Das said about it was pretty powerful.
The problem is that I don't think the system actually works for the people, and I no longer follow American politics enough to make an educated assessment. It really is a non-issue as of this point since I no longer reside in the US, but when I gain citizenship here, I will have to vote.
You see the American system as bad but you think it's better in Belgium?
It has more party options than the American system. But again, I don't follow Belgian politics either, so making an assessment of better or worse would be baseless. Voting is mandatory in Belgium, so when I become a citizen, I will have to participate. When that time nears, I will become more well versed in the political system here. At that point, I will give you my assessment, so...give or take 5 years.
Most Americans seem to have this romanticized view of democracy in Europe, that's why I asked.

There's really only 2 parties that are worth voting for in most every country. Not sure about Belgium because politicos here is a shitshow.
Things are a bit different over here. It is illegal to make donations to political campaigns and stuff in Belgium, which is totes different from the US. I'm not sure how it works elsewhere, so I don't know much more about thesystem than that.
It's actually still possible to donate to political parties. It's just restricted to a certain amount for private natural persons and companies to avoid massive contributions from certain actors looking to "buy" politicians' support if they get elected. I think it's too strict the way it is now, but the country does not really have a culture of people donating to politics (most prefer to just become a member of a party and pay membership fees) so I doubt much would change if this were changed. Still, it's a pretty good safeguard against politics being too influenced by money.


Something must not be working than. lol

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?id=N00000019

http://occupydemocrats.com/2015/12/31/new-princeton-study-confirms-u-s-is-no-longer-a-democracy-is-now-an-oligarchy/


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Every vote for Trump cancels out a vote for Hillary, and vice versa. The immature 'spite' angle isn't the most cogent way of expressing it, but abstaining is even less effective. You have one of two choices; if you've decided that you can't stand for one, then there's no reason to not vote for the other.

That said, it's really dumb for Bernie supporters to not vote for Hillary.
Why would Berniebros vote for a warmongering Republican?
Because their mindset is quite simply

"My candidate didn't win and I don't like Hillary, so I'm gonna vote for Trump for the lulz".

It shows they weren't even with Bernie's ideology at all, and were simply there to support someone who had momentum and the youngins.
But I was talking about Clinton...


 
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Every vote for Trump cancels out a vote for Hillary, and vice versa. The immature 'spite' angle isn't the most cogent way of expressing it, but abstaining is even less effective. You have one of two choices; if you've decided that you can't stand for one, then there's no reason to not vote for the other.

That said, it's really dumb for Bernie supporters to not vote for Hillary.
Why would Berniebros vote for a warmongering Republican?
Because their mindset is quite simply

"My candidate didn't win and I don't like Hillary, so I'm gonna vote for Trump for the lulz".

It shows they weren't even with Bernie's ideology at all, and were simply there to support someone who had momentum and the youngins.
But I was talking about Clinton...
But you asked

"Why would Berniebros vote for a warmongering Republican?"

Unless you're joking that Hillary is a republican


 
 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Every vote for Trump cancels out a vote for Hillary, and vice versa. The immature 'spite' angle isn't the most cogent way of expressing it, but abstaining is even less effective. You have one of two choices; if you've decided that you can't stand for one, then there's no reason to not vote for the other.

That said, it's really dumb for Bernie supporters to not vote for Hillary.
Why would Berniebros vote for a warmongering Republican?
Because their mindset is quite simply

"My candidate didn't win and I don't like Hillary, so I'm gonna vote for Trump for the lulz".

It shows they weren't even with Bernie's ideology at all, and were simply there to support someone who had momentum and the youngins.
But I was talking about Clinton...
But you asked

"Why would Berniebros vote for a warmongering Republican?"

Unless you're joking that Hillary is a republican


She's only a Democrat because she hates the Second Amendment.


 
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Not at all true, but okay.


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"My candidate didn't win and I don't like Hillary, so I'm gonna vote for Trump for the lulz".


OR, it could be out of principle and her shitty policies.

She voted for Iraq (Which will cost $6 trillion when it's all said and done)
She is pro-intervention (What could go wrong, it's not like whenever there's a power vacuum things go to shit)
She is paid millions by corporations and media (Not so ironically against money in politics)
She is paid by banks (Again, not so ironically "against" them)

I think you get it, she has a lot of baggage. This guy sums it up.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/sep/02/11-examples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/05/hillary-clinton/hillary-clintons-revisionist-history-tpp/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/08/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-now-opposes-trans-pacific-partners/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/25/barack-obama/clinton-has-changed-on-nafta/

 "I won't support fracking, death penalty, private prisons, Wall St. bailouts, no bank breakup, endless wars, spying, torture, internet censorship, border fences, patriot act, TARP, TPP, TTIP, NAFTA, Panama, or any other crappy trade agreement. It's hard to support a system that does NOT represent it's citizens. Fuck the Democrats. They are the new Republicans."


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I don't understand why people don't abstain from the vote. Go register, and if you don't agree with either of the choices, abstain.

People say abstaining is retarded, but it's far better alternative to voting for your polar opposite. At least if there's a majority of abstentions, it shows the parties that frankly, the public don't like either of them and need to get their act together.

Not voting is lazy, emotionally charged voting/spite-voting is retarded; Abstaining shows you are unhappy with the system, and want a new one.
I do not vote. I am not even registered to vote. I chose to never register because I disagree with the two-party system. I thought that was a pretty good option. My not-voting isn't out of laziness, but as a matter of opposition to the current system. If someone is registered to vote already, then I agree with abstaining.
Wouldn't making your voice heard be more effective if you voted Libertarian in the year they probably have the biggest chance to make an impact? Hearing what Das said about it was pretty powerful.
The problem is that I don't think the system actually works for the people, and I no longer follow American politics enough to make an educated assessment. It really is a non-issue as of this point since I no longer reside in the US, but when I gain citizenship here, I will have to vote.
You see the American system as bad but you think it's better in Belgium?
It has more party options than the American system. But again, I don't follow Belgian politics either, so making an assessment of better or worse would be baseless. Voting is mandatory in Belgium, so when I become a citizen, I will have to participate. When that time nears, I will become more well versed in the political system here. At that point, I will give you my assessment, so...give or take 5 years.
Most Americans seem to have this romanticized view of democracy in Europe, that's why I asked.

There's really only 2 parties that are worth voting for in most every country. Not sure about Belgium because politicos here is a shitshow.
Things are a bit different over here. It is illegal to make donations to political campaigns and stuff in Belgium, which is totes different from the US. I'm not sure how it works elsewhere, so I don't know much more about thesystem than that.
It's actually still possible to donate to political parties. It's just restricted to a certain amount for private natural persons and companies to avoid massive contributions from certain actors looking to "buy" politicians' support if they get elected. I think it's too strict the way it is now, but the country does not really have a culture of people donating to politics (most prefer to just become a member of a party and pay membership fees) so I doubt much would change if this were changed. Still, it's a pretty good safeguard against politics being too influenced by money.


Something must not be working than. lol

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?id=N00000019

http://occupydemocrats.com/2015/12/31/new-princeton-study-confirms-u-s-is-no-longer-a-democracy-is-now-an-oligarchy/
But we were talking about Belgian politics, not American ones.

Is that so? My mistake.


 
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Even though Trump is advocating for quite a lot of that crap. His only appeal is saying he won't go to war and will stop trades, which will somehow bring back all the jobs.


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Even though Trump is advocating for quite a lot of that crap. His only appeal is saying he won't go to war and will stop trades, which will somehow bring back all the jobs.

Even though, he's a hypocrite in that regard (Jobs). He does plenty of business in China. Though, I'd argue more jobs for America, the better. Making it more beneficial to stay in America, or make it too burdensome to leave.


 
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Even though Trump is advocating for quite a lot of that crap. His only appeal is saying he won't go to war and will stop trades, which will somehow bring back all the jobs.

Even though, he's a hypocrite in that regard (Jobs). He does plenty of business in China. Though, I'd argue more jobs for America, the better. Making it more beneficial to stay in America, or make it too burdensome to leave.
I don't understand your point. He'd just take regulations off of Wall Street again and make the big businesses profit.


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Even though Trump is advocating for quite a lot of that crap. His only appeal is saying he won't go to war and will stop trades, which will somehow bring back all the jobs.

Even though, he's a hypocrite in that regard (Jobs). He does plenty of business in China. Though, I'd argue more jobs for America, the better. Making it more beneficial to stay in America, or make it too burdensome to leave.
I don't understand your point. He'd just take regulations off of Wall Street again and make the big businesses profit.



Possibility, or he could make it too burdensome to stay. Either or. Unless, he's stated otherwise.


 
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your syntax pisses me off

Use punctuation right


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your syntax pisses me off

Use punctuation right

Me?


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your syntax pisses me off

Use punctuation right

>.>

Your post doesn't have any punctuation, Verby.


 
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>.>

Your post doesn't have any punctuation, Verby.
as a personal choice

i don't think he chooses to make his posts awkward to read


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>.>

Your post doesn't have any punctuation, Verby.
as a personal choice

i don't think he chooses to make his posts awkward to read

lol

I didn't think it mattered


 
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Possibility, or he could make it too burdensome to stay. Either or. Unless, he's stated otherwise.
You should want to make the system better. Not so bad people leave.


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Possibility, or he could make it too burdensome to stay. Either or. Unless, he's stated otherwise.
You should want to make the system better. Not so bad people leave.

It isn't that the system is bad, it's that companies prefer cheaper alternatives. There's nothing bad about paying fair taxes, and paying your employees fairly. Companies don't give a shit about any of that, so leave. All they care about is profit.


 
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Stopped reading after you started being a cunt tbh


 
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Stopped reading after you started being a cunt tbh
and which part was that


 
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Now, maybe you're one of those chucklefucks who actually thinks Trump would be a good leader. Maybe you're one of those paint chip-eating troglodytes who just fell off the political turnip truck, and you have it in your head that Trump would be a genuine president of the USA, and not the jingoistic Mickey Mouse he presents himself to be.
these are rude words


 
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Now, maybe you're one of those chucklefucks who actually thinks Trump would be a good leader. Maybe you're one of those paint chip-eating troglodytes who just fell off the political turnip truck, and you have it in your head that Trump would be a genuine president of the USA, and not the jingoistic Mickey Mouse he presents himself to be.
these are rude words
that was my favorite part

i could've been harsher


 
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Now, maybe you're one of those chucklefucks who actually thinks Trump would be a good leader. Maybe you're one of those paint chip-eating troglodytes who just fell off the political turnip truck, and you have it in your head that Trump would be a genuine president of the USA, and not the jingoistic Mickey Mouse he presents himself to be.
these are rude words
that was my favorite part

i could've been harsher
I found that bit to be highly entertaining.

Perhaps it's different in America but most people up here seem to think the lot of Trump supporters have lost their minds. It's also kind of frustrating to see people jokingly (or even not jokingly) say they support him because although we have no direct control over the situation it will still affect us a great deal.


 
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Now, maybe you're one of those chucklefucks who actually thinks Trump would be a good leader. Maybe you're one of those paint chip-eating troglodytes who just fell off the political turnip truck, and you have it in your head that Trump would be a genuine president of the USA, and not the jingoistic Mickey Mouse he presents himself to be.
these are rude words
that was my favorite part

i could've been harsher
I found that bit to be highly entertaining.

Perhaps it's different in America but most people up here seem to think the lot of Trump supporters have lost their minds. It's also kind of frustrating to see people jokingly (or even not jokingly) say they support him because although we have no direct control over the situation it will still affect us a great deal.
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