Well it'd be much better.
>implying the South lost the Civil War
Quote from: Mad Max on September 28, 2014, 12:02:07 PM>implying the South lost the Civil WarWell, the Union is still together. So...
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 28, 2014, 12:00:22 PMCountless possibilities reallyThe South was fighting a defensive war and won many battles. If Jackson wasn't killed and Lee not attack Gettysburg on a uphill battle then the Union, especially the citizens, would have lost great moral and call for an end to hostilities. By this time a cease-fire would take place and both sides would meet and work out a treaty. The Union realizing it has western lands that would be suitable enough for agriculture would be okay with the Confederacy leaving and forming their own nation. However it could be in the next couple years or decades where Texas would leave the Confederacy and form their own nation, leaving three nations in the lower 48Now head back to the South fighting a defensive war. Key loses such as Gettysburg ended any hope of France and Britain to aid support to the South and give it recognition. If the South did win these key battles then these European powers would put pressure on the Union, aiding in the ability of the war ending shortly. However, Europe would also put pressure on the South to outlaw slaverySlavery wouldn't exist into the 20th century, that's for sure. The South even allowed blacks to serve in the military and there were black plantation owners that owned slaves, including white slaves. In dire need of man power along with pressure on foreign powers and introduction of technology, slavery could have very well ended during the war or transition to the point where slaves were still such but imitated ancient world civilizations where slaves could own land, make money, and buy themselves out of freedom; indentured servants would be the best way to explainOh, Lincoln wouldn't have been assassinated since Booth had no motivation to do so and the KKK wouldn't exist because it was created after the Civil War. Eventually equal right would have occurred in the South the same way it was in South Africa. The North and South would also form a union similar to the E.UFUCKING LOLHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH MY GOD THIS IS THE STUPIDEST SHIT IVE EVER READ IN MY LIFE
Countless possibilities reallyThe South was fighting a defensive war and won many battles. If Jackson wasn't killed and Lee not attack Gettysburg on a uphill battle then the Union, especially the citizens, would have lost great moral and call for an end to hostilities. By this time a cease-fire would take place and both sides would meet and work out a treaty. The Union realizing it has western lands that would be suitable enough for agriculture would be okay with the Confederacy leaving and forming their own nation. However it could be in the next couple years or decades where Texas would leave the Confederacy and form their own nation, leaving three nations in the lower 48Now head back to the South fighting a defensive war. Key loses such as Gettysburg ended any hope of France and Britain to aid support to the South and give it recognition. If the South did win these key battles then these European powers would put pressure on the Union, aiding in the ability of the war ending shortly. However, Europe would also put pressure on the South to outlaw slaverySlavery wouldn't exist into the 20th century, that's for sure. The South even allowed blacks to serve in the military and there were black plantation owners that owned slaves, including white slaves. In dire need of man power along with pressure on foreign powers and introduction of technology, slavery could have very well ended during the war or transition to the point where slaves were still such but imitated ancient world civilizations where slaves could own land, make money, and buy themselves out of freedom; indentured servants would be the best way to explainOh, Lincoln wouldn't have been assassinated since Booth had no motivation to do so and the KKK wouldn't exist because it was created after the Civil War. Eventually equal right would have occurred in the South the same way it was in South Africa. The North and South would also form a union similar to the E.U
Slavery wouldn't exist into the 20th century, that's for sure. The South even allowed blacks to serve in the military and there were black plantation owners that owned slaves, including white slaves. In dire need of man power along with pressure on foreign powers and introduction of technology, slavery could have very well ended during the war or transition to the point where slaves were still such but imitated ancient world civilizations where slaves could own land, make money, and buy themselves out of freedom; indentured servants would be the best way to explain
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 28, 2014, 12:30:21 PMQuote from: challengerX on September 28, 2014, 12:14:00 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 28, 2014, 12:00:22 PMCountless possibilities reallyThe South was fighting a defensive war and won many battles. If Jackson wasn't killed and Lee not attack Gettysburg on a uphill battle then the Union, especially the citizens, would have lost great moral and call for an end to hostilities. By this time a cease-fire would take place and both sides would meet and work out a treaty. The Union realizing it has western lands that would be suitable enough for agriculture would be okay with the Confederacy leaving and forming their own nation. However it could be in the next couple years or decades where Texas would leave the Confederacy and form their own nation, leaving three nations in the lower 48Now head back to the South fighting a defensive war. Key loses such as Gettysburg ended any hope of France and Britain to aid support to the South and give it recognition. If the South did win these key battles then these European powers would put pressure on the Union, aiding in the ability of the war ending shortly. However, Europe would also put pressure on the South to outlaw slaverySlavery wouldn't exist into the 20th century, that's for sure. The South even allowed blacks to serve in the military and there were black plantation owners that owned slaves, including white slaves. In dire need of man power along with pressure on foreign powers and introduction of technology, slavery could have very well ended during the war or transition to the point where slaves were still such but imitated ancient world civilizations where slaves could own land, make money, and buy themselves out of freedom; indentured servants would be the best way to explainOh, Lincoln wouldn't have been assassinated since Booth had no motivation to do so and the KKK wouldn't exist because it was created after the Civil War. Eventually equal right would have occurred in the South the same way it was in South Africa. The North and South would also form a union similar to the E.UFUCKING LOLHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH MY GOD THIS IS THE STUPIDEST SHIT IVE EVER READ IN MY LIFEActually it's notFor one, this is a "what-if" situation and there's no way to prove if anything in the situation is fact. That means saying aliens will invade and build giant dildo statues is just as credible as what a person that's profound to study the Civil War will nowSecondly, I don't see you giving an opinion as to what will happen so you really have no room to talk. I;m basing this as of what I know about the South and the Civil War, which is probably far more in-depth than what you knowThirdly, get reported. Enjoy your 3 month ban :^)I didn't personally insult you, so I'm not getting banned. What you know about the civil war is biased southern bullshit. That's why I'm laughing. You literally called it the "War of Northern Aggression". And no, somebody saying aliens will invade is not as credible as saying something that actually makes sense, like slavery continuing and the U.S. not being a superpower.
Quote from: challengerX on September 28, 2014, 12:14:00 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 28, 2014, 12:00:22 PMCountless possibilities reallyThe South was fighting a defensive war and won many battles. If Jackson wasn't killed and Lee not attack Gettysburg on a uphill battle then the Union, especially the citizens, would have lost great moral and call for an end to hostilities. By this time a cease-fire would take place and both sides would meet and work out a treaty. The Union realizing it has western lands that would be suitable enough for agriculture would be okay with the Confederacy leaving and forming their own nation. However it could be in the next couple years or decades where Texas would leave the Confederacy and form their own nation, leaving three nations in the lower 48Now head back to the South fighting a defensive war. Key loses such as Gettysburg ended any hope of France and Britain to aid support to the South and give it recognition. If the South did win these key battles then these European powers would put pressure on the Union, aiding in the ability of the war ending shortly. However, Europe would also put pressure on the South to outlaw slaverySlavery wouldn't exist into the 20th century, that's for sure. The South even allowed blacks to serve in the military and there were black plantation owners that owned slaves, including white slaves. In dire need of man power along with pressure on foreign powers and introduction of technology, slavery could have very well ended during the war or transition to the point where slaves were still such but imitated ancient world civilizations where slaves could own land, make money, and buy themselves out of freedom; indentured servants would be the best way to explainOh, Lincoln wouldn't have been assassinated since Booth had no motivation to do so and the KKK wouldn't exist because it was created after the Civil War. Eventually equal right would have occurred in the South the same way it was in South Africa. The North and South would also form a union similar to the E.UFUCKING LOLHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH MY GOD THIS IS THE STUPIDEST SHIT IVE EVER READ IN MY LIFEActually it's notFor one, this is a "what-if" situation and there's no way to prove if anything in the situation is fact. That means saying aliens will invade and build giant dildo statues is just as credible as what a person that's profound to study the Civil War will nowSecondly, I don't see you giving an opinion as to what will happen so you really have no room to talk. I;m basing this as of what I know about the South and the Civil War, which is probably far more in-depth than what you knowThirdly, get reported. Enjoy your 3 month ban :^)
Boo-hoo, I call a war a certain name. That makes me the most biased person ever. The North was being aggressive to the South by trying to enforce high taxation that Southerners couldn't afford, along with trying to expand big government and quell the concept of a limited central government. What you know of the civil war is biased northern bullshit
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 28, 2014, 01:26:15 PMBoo-hoo, I call a war a certain name. That makes me the most biased person ever. The North was being aggressive to the South by trying to enforce high taxation that Southerners couldn't afford, along with trying to expand big government and quell the concept of a limited central government. What you know of the civil war is biased northern bullshit> War of Northern Aggression> South initiated the WarAnd why did the South initiate the war? Because it was tired of the North's aggression, hence the term War of Northern Aggression. South was on a primarily defensive campaign to protect their landMy sides are in orbit
You literally just said European tyranny is preferable to what we have today.
Quote from: IcyWind on September 28, 2014, 01:28:44 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 28, 2014, 01:26:15 PMBoo-hoo, I call a war a certain name. That makes me the most biased person ever. The North was being aggressive to the South by trying to enforce high taxation that Southerners couldn't afford, along with trying to expand big government and quell the concept of a limited central government. What you know of the civil war is biased northern bullshit> War of Northern Aggression> South initiated the WarMy sides are in orbitAnd why did the South initiate the war? Because it was tired of the North's aggression, hence the term War of Northern Aggression. South was on a primarily defensive campaign to protect their land
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 28, 2014, 01:26:15 PMBoo-hoo, I call a war a certain name. That makes me the most biased person ever. The North was being aggressive to the South by trying to enforce high taxation that Southerners couldn't afford, along with trying to expand big government and quell the concept of a limited central government. What you know of the civil war is biased northern bullshit> War of Northern Aggression> South initiated the WarMy sides are in orbit
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 28, 2014, 12:00:22 PMSlavery wouldn't exist into the 20th century, that's for sure. The South even allowed blacks to serve in the military and there were black plantation owners that owned slaves, including white slaves. In dire need of man power along with pressure on foreign powers and introduction of technology, slavery could have very well ended during the war or transition to the point where slaves were still such but imitated ancient world civilizations where slaves could own land, make money, and buy themselves out of freedom; indentured servants would be the best way to explainYeah, no.
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 28, 2014, 01:40:01 PMQuote from: IcyWind on September 28, 2014, 01:28:44 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 28, 2014, 01:26:15 PMBoo-hoo, I call a war a certain name. That makes me the most biased person ever. The North was being aggressive to the South by trying to enforce high taxation that Southerners couldn't afford, along with trying to expand big government and quell the concept of a limited central government. What you know of the civil war is biased northern bullshit> War of Northern Aggression> South initiated the WarMy sides are in orbitAnd why did the South initiate the war? Because it was tired of the North's aggression, hence the term War of Northern Aggression. South was on a primarily defensive campaign to protect their landI love how you honestly think this. The South had no place to start a war - they were wrong about the entire thing. They seceded because they couldn't accept that Lincoln won the election and were so afraid he would take their slaves and money away.
>Admits South started war>it was a defensive declaration of aggressionLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOL
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/confederacy-approves-black-soldiersBlacks fight for the Confederacyhttp://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htmBlack slave owners and slave owners in general were a small minority in the Southhttp://www.americanforeignrelations.com/A-D/Civil-War-Diplomacy-The-slavery-issue-and-the-end-of-confederate-diplomacy.htmlEurope ignored the South because the North was going to free the slaveshttp://listverse.com/2010/12/06/10-surprising-facts-about-the-confederacy/Slavery was being rid away with in the south by 1864
The situation was bleak for the Confederates in the spring of 1865. The Yankees had captured large swaths of Southern territory, General William T. Sherman's Union army was tearing through the Carolinas, and General Robert E. Lee was trying valiantly to hold the Confederate capital of Richmond, Virginia, against General Ulysses S. Grant's growing force. Lee and Confederate President Jefferson Davis had only two options. One was for Lee to unite with General Joseph Johnston's army in the Carolinas and use the combined force to take on Sherman and Grant one at a time. The other option was to arm slaves, the last source of fresh manpower in the Confederacy.
Lee asked that the slaves be freed as a condition of fighting, but the bill that passed the Confederate Congress on March 13, 1865, did not stipulate freedom for those who served.
Most historians believe that the Confederacy only started to abandon slavery once their defeat was imminent.Slavery wasn’t abolished until 1868, 3 years after the war. Thus Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland and Delaware still had slaves.
What if the South had won the Civil War?
