What do you think of this? "Street Harassment"

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Street harassment is a serious but hello, good morning, have a nice day, et all are not harassment, they are the way we interact with people. Sure saying fine ass is crossing the line but something like you look nice is not. Heck I am man and got those compliments, when I do I feel better about myself.


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"Have a nice evening!"

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I don't see how donating to that non-profit can change the attitudes of certain people...

The tone, and where their eyes look are the issue there, not the words.

I'm not sure if "Hello" and "Good evening/afternoon/morning" actually qualify as harassment.
Last Edit: October 31, 2014, 09:29:17 AM by Isara


 
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I don't see how donating to that non-profit can change the attitudes of certain people...

The tone, and where their eyes look are the issue there, not the words.

I'm not sure if "Hello" and "Good evening/afternoon/morning" actually qualify as harassment.

It's been a few days since I've watched it, but from what I remember the hellos and good evening/afternoon/mornings seemed to be your average everyday ones. Were there instances of harassment in this video? Yes, definitely, but from what I recall those instances I'm talking about weren't it.


 
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Look carefully. When she's told "good evening" the tone is slightly teasing, and his eyes are sizing her breasts up. That's the harassment. It's not disturbing when it happens once, or maybe twice, but when it happens too many times during a day when you are just walking down the street, going to work, in work, or going back home, that's what happens.

It also happens on Sep7agon, but in a much relaxed manner which doesn't really cause any issues.

It's been a few days since I've watched it, but from what I remember the hellos and good evening/afternoon/mornings seemed to be your average everyday ones. Were there instances of harassment in this video? Yes, definitely, but from what I recall those instances I'm talking about weren't it.


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I wonder what the ratio of "men who harassed her" to "men who went about their business and didn't give a shit" was. Jessica Williams did a similar bit on the Daily Show about a month back. In such a densely populated urban area as New York, with such a large sample size of men (and a diverse pool of cultures,) you're bound to catch a few catcallers.

Now, I get where the girls are coming from- being harassed in any way is annoying. But this is much less of a problem than people like to pretend it is.
Last Edit: October 31, 2014, 11:02:02 AM by Azumarill


 
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Ok, I might be nitpicking now, but you did call grown ass men as men, and now you are talking about grown ass women as girls? Seriously? How do you really expect people to take you seriously with that kind of obvious bias?

I wonder what the ratio of "men who harassed her" to "men who went about their business and didn't give a shit" was. Jessica Williams did a similar bit on the Daily Show about a month back. In such a densely populated urban area as New York, with such a large sample size of men, you're bound to catch a few catcallers.

Now, I get where the girls are coming from- being harassed in any way is annoying. But this is much less of a problem than people like to pretend it is.


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Ok, I might be nitpicking now, but you did call grown ass men as men, and now you are talking about grown ass women as girls? Seriously? How do you really expect people to take you seriously with that kind of obvious bias?

I wonder what the ratio of "men who harassed her" to "men who went about their business and didn't give a shit" was. Jessica Williams did a similar bit on the Daily Show about a month back. In such a densely populated urban area as New York, with such a large sample size of men, you're bound to catch a few catcallers.

Now, I get where the ladies are coming from- being harassed in any way is annoying. But this is much less of a problem than people like to pretend it is.
Yeah, that really is nitpicking. It's just an awkward choice of words. Would "ladies" be inoffensive to you?


 
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What I was trying to say through that silly nitpicking is that there are true issues out there, and certainly when some patterns happen often throughout someone's daily life then it becomes something you must cope with and when you cope with it you tend to tone it down.

Certainly, most men out there are not perverts or going to harass others. However, it doesn't mean that the issue isn't there, and it's not just "a few people" there is an issue, and it needs to be tackled openly with a certain degree of maturity.

It's not about what words are offensive or not, but if I talked about those men as "boys" due to their behavior, wouldn't I be disrespecting them, and men in general? I don't want to do that. So, I'd appreciate if you, in the future that is, considered that, even though it may be nitpicking the choice of words in a serious argument like this one is important. (Something that everyone gets wrong sometimes)

Yeah, that really is nitpicking. It's just an awkward choice of words. Would "ladies" be inoffensive to you?


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What I was trying to say through that silly nitpicking is that there are true issues out there, and certainly when some patterns happen often throughout someone's daily life then it becomes something you must cope with and when you cope with it you tend to tone it down.

Certainly, most men out there are not perverts or going to harass others. However, it doesn't mean that the issue isn't there, and it's not just "a few people" there is an issue, and it needs to be tackled openly with a certain degree of maturity.

It's not about what words are offensive or not, but if I talked about those men as "boys" due to their behavior, wouldn't I be disrespecting them, and men in general? I don't want to do that. So, I'd appreciate if you, in the future that is, considered that, even though it may be nitpicking the choice of words in a serious argument like this one is important. (Something that everyone gets wrong sometimes)

Yeah, that really is nitpicking. It's just an awkward choice of words. Would "ladies" be inoffensive to you?
I don't know about other males, but I certainly wouldn't be offended if you called them "boys." I don't see the point in getting caught up in semantic arguments about word association.

Yes, it is a problem. Catcalling is annoying for people who have to deal with it. The men who continue to publicly harass women in that manner clearly have warped views of ethics and morality, but they're outliers. We're working hard as a culture to ingrain the idea that everyone has a right to their sovereignty, and overall we're doing a pretty damn good job.


 
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As I said, it's a matter of being respectful, not necessarily offensive. Anyhow, I do agree, over time things tend to improve, and there are incidents, and what concerns me is the number of unreported incidents from both women and specially men who are pressed by society in different manners not to share these things.

There's a real reason as I think people who hate on either gender are getting us nowhere. The game changers are people who put effort, not only to tackle the societal limitations, but also the legislations and established beliefs  that confront against a society that strives to improve.

However, even the stupidest things out there, and pointless ones have a basis, and the difficulty is to grasp that basis first and then understand the core issue, and not the outlying nonsense around it. The core issue that some people feel to express their anger through the idea that is feminism is a clear sign that as a society we still have many walls to tackle.

It's a mess we are carrying from past generations, and a mess that people will carry in the future. It was made by misconception, stereotypes, half-truths, religions and seclusion. Those are things that tie us down, not only when it comes to the fact of your gender, nationality, or race, but also as humans as a whole.

Feminism... Women's rights in general is a battle on many fronts. You can pick up issues from schools, to workplaces, to religious groups to the wide picture of a country's society and culture. Sometimes, some people use the wrong means to express their concern and intent, and I agree that those are things that tie us into a slower development.

There's something to say about everything, and also there are plenty of women that do not really feel the issues either, nor care about them or can't perceive them. So it's also an "inside" battle of sorts, which at the end of the day it leaves nothing, but either hope or disappointment. Because something good happened, or something bad happened that makes you worry for the future, and others.

I don't know about other males, but I certainly wouldn't be offended if you called them "boys." I don't see the point in getting caught up in semantic arguments about word association.

Yes, it is a problem. Catcalling is annoying for people who have to deal with it. The men who continue to publicly harass women in that manner clearly have warped views of ethics and morality, but they're outliers. We're working hard as a culture to ingrain the idea that everyone has a right to their sovereignty, and overall we're doing a pretty damn good job.


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