Quote from: challengerX on March 17, 2016, 06:08:37 PMIt's never that simple. And why should it not be that way? Why should the father be denied a child?What? Pretty sure we're talking about whether the father wants to renounce the responsibility for the child.Unless the guy was raped or coerced in some fashion, I don't see how that makes any ethical sense.If you get someone pregnant, why is that not the man's responsibility?Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 06:08:39 PMIf women have a right to abortion, so should men.Nope.
It's never that simple. And why should it not be that way? Why should the father be denied a child?
If women have a right to abortion, so should men.
Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 06:06:43 PMAbsolutely not.Too bad. Shouldn't have fucked her. Deal with the consequences."If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want the baby, she should absolutely be able to have an abortion and banning that is a violation of women's rights""If a man gets a woman pregnant and doesn't want the baby, too bad. Shouldn't have fucked her.">progressives
Absolutely not.Too bad. Shouldn't have fucked her. Deal with the consequences.
Great argument against male abortion rights...
The fuck what are you guys talking about. I'm saying if the dad wants the kid and the mom doesn't, the child should still be born. Abortion should only go through if both parents don't want the kid, or if the dad isn't present then it's obviously up to the mom.
If the dad doesn't want the kid, too bad--it's not up to him.
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 06:20:42 PMGreat argument against male abortion rights...Abortion should be mandatory, because having kids is wrong in the first place, so arguing this would be redundant.It's not the man's body, so he should not have any choice. Don't want kids? Don't get anyone pregnant.
What if they both consent to not having a child and use a condom but she pins it without him knowing?
It's the man's child
These rights trump women's body rights
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 06:28:50 PMIt's the man's childIt's not in his body.QuoteThese rights trump women's body rightsYou're easily our worst new poster.
"That's unfair to men "So is my belief that all men should be tortured and castrated and murdered on the basis that they're men.FUCK men.
Then that would be an exception. Durrrr.Circumstances like that would be taken into account.
Irrelevant as to who's body it is
He should have rights over it[/b].
I'm not able to see anything compelling about the unwritten social contract between a couple being taken as imperative over a woman being able to not have to go through childbirth against her will.A father should be able to divorce himself from fiscal responsibility if he elects for abortion and the mother declines and the state takes over, but forcing someone to undergo something as physically tasking and painful and scarring as childbirth? Against their fucking will?Do you people think women lay eggs?
Nope. Whose body it's in is the ONLY thing that matters.
Human life shouldn't be wasted because of her "petty" rights.
Quote from: eggsalad on March 17, 2016, 06:36:38 PMI'm not able to see anything compelling about the unwritten social contract between a couple being taken as imperative over a woman being able to not have to go through childbirth against her will.A father should be able to divorce himself from fiscal responsibility if he elects for abortion and the mother declines and the state takes over, but forcing someone to undergo something as physically tasking and painful and scarring as childbirth? Against their fucking will?Do you people think women lay eggs?If she didn't want a child, she should of been using birth control, It's not exactly moral, to just have reckless sex & when the ramifications appear, just take the cowards way out. If she didn't want the child to begin with, she should of been acting against it, rather than throwing potential human life away, just for the sake of her rights.
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 06:43:25 PMHuman life shouldn't be wasted because of her "petty" rights.Yes it should. Like I said, abortion should be mandatory anyway, so none of this discussion even matters.
Rights aren't petty. And this ventures into the debate on whether that form of life in the beginning of its development is considered worthy of its right to live. Unfortunately for your standpoint, not many who aren't religious radicals claim that it is worthy. Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 06:43:25 PMHuman life shouldn't be wasted because of her "petty" rights.
Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 06:44:29 PMQuote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 06:43:25 PMHuman life shouldn't be wasted because of her "petty" rights.Yes it should. Like I said, abortion should be mandatory anyway, so none of this discussion even matters.Now you're just shit posting, end of discussion.
Quote from: Gaara444 on March 17, 2016, 06:45:53 PMRights aren't petty. And this ventures into the debate on whether that form of life in the beginning of its development is considered worthy of its right to live. Unfortunately for your standpoint, not many who aren't religious radicals claim that it is worthy. Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 06:43:25 PMHuman life shouldn't be wasted because of her "petty" rights. (Exceptions noted) - If she didn't want to have a child in the first place, steps should've been taken to prevent it, such as birth control. The stage of Development is irrelevant as it is "still a waste of Human potential", I never said it was alive.Wasting human life for the sake of "rights", is petty.
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 06:40:31 PMQuote from: eggsalad on March 17, 2016, 06:36:38 PMI'm not able to see anything compelling about the unwritten social contract between a couple being taken as imperative over a woman being able to not have to go through childbirth against her will.A father should be able to divorce himself from fiscal responsibility if he elects for abortion and the mother declines and the state takes over, but forcing someone to undergo something as physically tasking and painful and scarring as childbirth? Against their fucking will?Do you people think women lay eggs?If she didn't want a child, she should of been using birth control, It's not exactly moral, to just have reckless sex & when the ramifications appear, just take the cowards way out. If she didn't want the child to begin with, she should of been acting against it, rather than throwing potential human life away, just for the sake of her rights.Birth control fails you dolt. Your mind can change over the course of several months. Do you actually think that some horny bangtown session is grounds for forcing someone to carry something in them that drastically changes their life for the gestation period followed by up to a day of excruciating pain that leaves their nether regions permanently scarred and puts them in recoup mode for up to weeks?Were you given sex ed?Your inability to grasp that the trauma of carrying a child you don't want is easily worse (definitively physically) than the grief of losing your unborn child just demonstrates how biased you're allowing yourself to be.
(Exceptions noted) - If she didn't want to have a child in the first place, steps should've been taken to prevent it, such as birth control. The stage of Development is irrelevant as it is "still a waste of Human potential", I never said it was alive.Wasting human life for the sake of "rights", is petty.
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