Quote from: Mad Max on December 30, 2014, 12:05:41 PMQuote from: WBC Dustin on December 30, 2014, 11:27:43 AMQuote from: Mad Max on December 30, 2014, 11:20:25 AMQuote from: WBC Dustin on December 30, 2014, 11:12:13 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 30, 2014, 11:07:34 AMQuote from: PSU on December 30, 2014, 10:20:39 AMIn my eyes, if you have a dick you're a man. I will call you a man. Not to piss you off or anything petty like that. Its because you LITERALLY ARE a man.So say that they had surgery to remove the crown jewels, what would you then call them?XX or XYGender has nothing to do with your chromosomes.Masculinity is based off the biological traits of males and femininity is based off the biological traits of females. So yes gender is related to sex.It's really not that simple. Asserting so makes you look pretty ignorant of the subject.If you're insane enough to say that there's no correlation between gender and sex then there's no discussion to be had. It's not like I'm saying transgenders are bad people or that sex change is wrong, I'm just saying that gender isn't a social construct and that you can't have a gender without a correlating sex, unless you devalue the word gender to mean any type of personality.
Quote from: WBC Dustin on December 30, 2014, 11:27:43 AMQuote from: Mad Max on December 30, 2014, 11:20:25 AMQuote from: WBC Dustin on December 30, 2014, 11:12:13 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 30, 2014, 11:07:34 AMQuote from: PSU on December 30, 2014, 10:20:39 AMIn my eyes, if you have a dick you're a man. I will call you a man. Not to piss you off or anything petty like that. Its because you LITERALLY ARE a man.So say that they had surgery to remove the crown jewels, what would you then call them?XX or XYGender has nothing to do with your chromosomes.Masculinity is based off the biological traits of males and femininity is based off the biological traits of females. So yes gender is related to sex.It's really not that simple. Asserting so makes you look pretty ignorant of the subject.
Quote from: Mad Max on December 30, 2014, 11:20:25 AMQuote from: WBC Dustin on December 30, 2014, 11:12:13 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 30, 2014, 11:07:34 AMQuote from: PSU on December 30, 2014, 10:20:39 AMIn my eyes, if you have a dick you're a man. I will call you a man. Not to piss you off or anything petty like that. Its because you LITERALLY ARE a man.So say that they had surgery to remove the crown jewels, what would you then call them?XX or XYGender has nothing to do with your chromosomes.Masculinity is based off the biological traits of males and femininity is based off the biological traits of females. So yes gender is related to sex.
Quote from: WBC Dustin on December 30, 2014, 11:12:13 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 30, 2014, 11:07:34 AMQuote from: PSU on December 30, 2014, 10:20:39 AMIn my eyes, if you have a dick you're a man. I will call you a man. Not to piss you off or anything petty like that. Its because you LITERALLY ARE a man.So say that they had surgery to remove the crown jewels, what would you then call them?XX or XYGender has nothing to do with your chromosomes.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 30, 2014, 11:07:34 AMQuote from: PSU on December 30, 2014, 10:20:39 AMIn my eyes, if you have a dick you're a man. I will call you a man. Not to piss you off or anything petty like that. Its because you LITERALLY ARE a man.So say that they had surgery to remove the crown jewels, what would you then call them?XX or XY
Quote from: PSU on December 30, 2014, 10:20:39 AMIn my eyes, if you have a dick you're a man. I will call you a man. Not to piss you off or anything petty like that. Its because you LITERALLY ARE a man.So say that they had surgery to remove the crown jewels, what would you then call them?
In my eyes, if you have a dick you're a man. I will call you a man. Not to piss you off or anything petty like that. Its because you LITERALLY ARE a man.
I'm fine with calling you a he or she, just, I believe it's a disorder.
Quote from: Naru (っ◕‿◕)っ on December 30, 2014, 01:42:07 PMI'm fine with calling you a he or she, just, I believe it's a disorder.Well, some of the stuff associated with it is a disorder. Simply being trans isn't a disorder.
Quote from: Mad Max on December 30, 2014, 02:06:06 PMQuote from: Naru (っ◕‿◕)っ on December 30, 2014, 01:42:07 PMI'm fine with calling you a he or she, just, I believe it's a disorder.Well, some of the stuff associated with it is a disorder. Simply being trans isn't a disorder.Saying you're another gender isn't.. Exactly normal. Disorder or not, I think it is.
Quote from: Naru (っ◕‿◕)っ on December 30, 2014, 02:08:23 PMQuote from: Mad Max on December 30, 2014, 02:06:06 PMQuote from: Naru (っ◕‿◕)っ on December 30, 2014, 01:42:07 PMI'm fine with calling you a he or she, just, I believe it's a disorder.Well, some of the stuff associated with it is a disorder. Simply being trans isn't a disorder.Saying you're another gender isn't.. Exactly normal. Disorder or not, I think it is.Yes, it's unusual and uncommon. Doesn't mean it's a disorder, though.
Quote from: Mad Max on December 30, 2014, 02:09:30 PMQuote from: Naru (っ◕‿◕)っ on December 30, 2014, 02:08:23 PMQuote from: Mad Max on December 30, 2014, 02:06:06 PMQuote from: Naru (っ◕‿◕)っ on December 30, 2014, 01:42:07 PMI'm fine with calling you a he or she, just, I believe it's a disorder.Well, some of the stuff associated with it is a disorder. Simply being trans isn't a disorder.Saying you're another gender isn't.. Exactly normal. Disorder or not, I think it is.Yes, it's unusual and uncommon. Doesn't mean it's a disorder, though.I don't know man, Psychology class brought a lot of information to me
Quote from: Naru (っ◕‿◕)っ on December 30, 2014, 02:11:15 PMQuote from: Mad Max on December 30, 2014, 02:09:30 PMQuote from: Naru (っ◕‿◕)っ on December 30, 2014, 02:08:23 PMQuote from: Mad Max on December 30, 2014, 02:06:06 PMQuote from: Naru (っ◕‿◕)っ on December 30, 2014, 01:42:07 PMI'm fine with calling you a he or she, just, I believe it's a disorder.Well, some of the stuff associated with it is a disorder. Simply being trans isn't a disorder.Saying you're another gender isn't.. Exactly normal. Disorder or not, I think it is.Yes, it's unusual and uncommon. Doesn't mean it's a disorder, though.I don't know man, Psychology class brought a lot of information to meSame here, and I had the same problem when the shit that's in the textbooks was incompatible with the real world <.<It might be technically a disorder, but someone who is perfectly happy with themselves after they've changed isn't mentally ill. IIRC the disorder arises from the mental illness caused by having the wrong mind/body combo and not just from having a mismatched identity <.<Two examplesPerson X and Person Y.Person X is biologically female (XX) but is transgender and identifies as male.Person Y is biologically male (XY) but is transgender and identifies as female.Person X goes through the system/treatment/therapies/surgery and is now 'male'. They don't have any distress, problems, abuse, illness arising from it and all goes well.Person Y goes through the same process but is suffering from depression/other problems directly attributable to them being transgender. They have to seek professional help about it to overcome the disorder and eventually come through fine in the same manner as X.It might be a disorder on the books, but Person X functions perfectly fine and doesn't suffer from any serious issues as a result of the transition. Do they have a disorder? Or an illness? <.<I don't think so >.>Person Y does, because it has caused them grief and they needed treatment >.>The other thing to note is that the trouble with labelling someone as having a disorder would imply that there is something wrong with them that needs correcting. When that's not necessarily the case <.<Or the correcting is to simply change their body to suit their mind. Because all the previous times that scientists/doctors/quacks have tried to change someone's mind rather than their physical form have ended... badly... >.>
Quote from: Mad Max on December 30, 2014, 02:06:06 PMQuote from: Naru (っ◕‿◕)っ on December 30, 2014, 01:42:07 PMI'm fine with calling you a he or she, just, I believe it's a disorder.Well, some of the stuff associated with it is a disorder. Simply being trans isn't a disorder.How do you define disorder, then?
Quote from: Nuka (っ◕‿◕)っ on December 30, 2014, 04:31:48 PMAnyways I would really prefer if this didn't become something about me, but I felt the need to say something. It's fucking annoying when people go around spewing twisted facts.Maybe if you didn't spew twisted facts about me? But I guess it doesn't matter any more since Noelle left and called you cunt.
Anyways I would really prefer if this didn't become something about me, but I felt the need to say something. It's fucking annoying when people go around spewing twisted facts.
Quote from: Mad Max on December 30, 2014, 04:36:10 PMQuote from: WBC Dustin on December 30, 2014, 04:34:09 PMQuote from: Nuka (っ◕‿◕)っ on December 30, 2014, 04:31:48 PMAnyways I would really prefer if this didn't become something about me, but I felt the need to say something. It's fucking annoying when people go around spewing twisted facts.Maybe if you didn't spew twisted facts about me? But I guess it doesn't matter any more since Noelle left and called you cunt.What facts about you are there to twist? You spend your time trolling these places. You have no identity or personality - just whatever you think will rile people up on that particular day.I have no political identity but as far as personality and personal identity goes that isn't true.
Quote from: WBC Dustin on December 30, 2014, 04:34:09 PMQuote from: Nuka (っ◕‿◕)っ on December 30, 2014, 04:31:48 PMAnyways I would really prefer if this didn't become something about me, but I felt the need to say something. It's fucking annoying when people go around spewing twisted facts.Maybe if you didn't spew twisted facts about me? But I guess it doesn't matter any more since Noelle left and called you cunt.What facts about you are there to twist? You spend your time trolling these places. You have no identity or personality - just whatever you think will rile people up on that particular day.
No one should care about what pronouns people use to refer to you. I only acquiesce because it's apparently SUCH a big deal.
Quote from: Verbatim on December 29, 2014, 11:41:48 PMNo one should care about what pronouns people use to refer to you. I only acquiesce because it's apparently SUCH a big deal.For once, I agree with Verbatim. Who gives a real damn? I won't call you "she" until that flopping penis between your legs is turned into labia. It just feels weird to call a dude "she" or "her" when everything about their body is "he". You feel like a she? Okay, well, until you turn into one, that's nice. Oh, you're offended? Cry me a river. It doesn't mean I seek to offend, I just don't care to give in to all the trivial details and appease people because, "muh feelingz".
Something that's bugged me is if transpeople don't feel like a man or woman (and I know 'feeling' is an oversimplification), doesn't that enforce societal gender roles? On one hand, we've got a large movement saying boys should be able to play with girls' toys and wear girls' clothes while girls should be free to do traditional boy activities, but it seems like that is entirely contrary to the notion of transpeople undertaking physical changes to be more like the opposite sex.I find it hard to sympathize with the struggle because I can't relate to it at all. I recognize the problem and know I should care more, but I feel very apathetic about it.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 31, 2014, 05:17:16 PMQuote from: Verbatim on December 29, 2014, 11:41:48 PMNo one should care about what pronouns people use to refer to you. I only acquiesce because it's apparently SUCH a big deal.For once, I agree with Verbatim. Who gives a real damn? I won't call you "she" until that flopping penis between your legs is turned into labia. It just feels weird to call a dude "she" or "her" when everything about their body is "he". You feel like a she? Okay, well, until you turn into one, that's nice. Oh, you're offended? Cry me a river. It doesn't mean I seek to offend, I just don't care to give in to all the trivial details and appease people because, "muh feelingz".Just a question here. You ever have parents or siblings act like cunts? Did you ever call them cunts? How about people you're not fond of? Do you call them by name or call them like you see them?Because if you don't? You're a hypocrite. Taking a wild guess here, even if you bumped into the person you hated the most as a kid today, you wouldn't call them by any of the names you gave them in your head as a kid. You might call them an asshole. But only once. But you wouldn't continue calling it like you see it. If so, then why so selective in your choice of words, or in this case, not selective in your choice?I mean if we're going to discard the "trivial details" then why not do it for everybody?Oh but that's right.Walking up to your mother and calling her a bitch when she's being one or is one would probably result inA) Getting your shit slappedB) Getting into a big fucking argument with familyWhich means that all your talk here likely can't be backed up in person because everybody has a family member who's been an asshole or a bitch.If I'm wrong, then you know what?You'd be fantastic at parties.
Quote from: Sandtrap on December 31, 2014, 05:35:48 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 31, 2014, 05:17:16 PMQuote from: Verbatim on December 29, 2014, 11:41:48 PMNo one should care about what pronouns people use to refer to you. I only acquiesce because it's apparently SUCH a big deal.For once, I agree with Verbatim. Who gives a real damn? I won't call you "she" until that flopping penis between your legs is turned into labia. It just feels weird to call a dude "she" or "her" when everything about their body is "he". You feel like a she? Okay, well, until you turn into one, that's nice. Oh, you're offended? Cry me a river. It doesn't mean I seek to offend, I just don't care to give in to all the trivial details and appease people because, "muh feelingz".Just a question here. You ever have parents or siblings act like cunts? Did you ever call them cunts? How about people you're not fond of? Do you call them by name or call them like you see them?Because if you don't? You're a hypocrite. Taking a wild guess here, even if you bumped into the person you hated the most as a kid today, you wouldn't call them by any of the names you gave them in your head as a kid. You might call them an asshole. But only once. But you wouldn't continue calling it like you see it. If so, then why so selective in your choice of words, or in this case, not selective in your choice?I mean if we're going to discard the "trivial details" then why not do it for everybody?Oh but that's right.Walking up to your mother and calling her a bitch when she's being one or is one would probably result inA) Getting your shit slappedB) Getting into a big fucking argument with familyWhich means that all your talk here likely can't be backed up in person because everybody has a family member who's been an asshole or a bitch.If I'm wrong, then you know what?You'd be fantastic at parties.I don't see how someone I dislike or acting like an asshole has anything to do with calling someone "he", "she", or "cunt". Nor do I see hypocrisy.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 31, 2014, 06:11:13 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on December 31, 2014, 05:35:48 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 31, 2014, 05:17:16 PMQuote from: Verbatim on December 29, 2014, 11:41:48 PMNo one should care about what pronouns people use to refer to you. I only acquiesce because it's apparently SUCH a big deal.For once, I agree with Verbatim. Who gives a real damn? I won't call you "she" until that flopping penis between your legs is turned into labia. It just feels weird to call a dude "she" or "her" when everything about their body is "he". You feel like a she? Okay, well, until you turn into one, that's nice. Oh, you're offended? Cry me a river. It doesn't mean I seek to offend, I just don't care to give in to all the trivial details and appease people because, "muh feelingz".Just a question here. You ever have parents or siblings act like cunts? Did you ever call them cunts? How about people you're not fond of? Do you call them by name or call them like you see them?Because if you don't? You're a hypocrite. Taking a wild guess here, even if you bumped into the person you hated the most as a kid today, you wouldn't call them by any of the names you gave them in your head as a kid. You might call them an asshole. But only once. But you wouldn't continue calling it like you see it. If so, then why so selective in your choice of words, or in this case, not selective in your choice?I mean if we're going to discard the "trivial details" then why not do it for everybody?Oh but that's right.Walking up to your mother and calling her a bitch when she's being one or is one would probably result inA) Getting your shit slappedB) Getting into a big fucking argument with familyWhich means that all your talk here likely can't be backed up in person because everybody has a family member who's been an asshole or a bitch.If I'm wrong, then you know what?You'd be fantastic at parties.I don't see how someone I dislike or acting like an asshole has anything to do with calling someone "he", "she", or "cunt". Nor do I see hypocrisy.Because you're calling trans folks like you "see" them. You see a dick on a woman then you call that person a dude because you see a dick.So why the fuck not drop the trivial details and fucking call everything like you see it? Why make it so exlusive? Why bother beating around the bush like this and just fucking call shit like you see it? I mean if you're so open about calling a trans person the way you see them, why not walk up to that asshole boss of yours and tell it like it is through your eyes?
Quote from: Sandtrap on December 31, 2014, 06:13:45 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 31, 2014, 06:11:13 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on December 31, 2014, 05:35:48 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 31, 2014, 05:17:16 PMQuote from: Verbatim on December 29, 2014, 11:41:48 PMNo one should care about what pronouns people use to refer to you. I only acquiesce because it's apparently SUCH a big deal.For once, I agree with Verbatim. Who gives a real damn? I won't call you "she" until that flopping penis between your legs is turned into labia. It just feels weird to call a dude "she" or "her" when everything about their body is "he". You feel like a she? Okay, well, until you turn into one, that's nice. Oh, you're offended? Cry me a river. It doesn't mean I seek to offend, I just don't care to give in to all the trivial details and appease people because, "muh feelingz".Just a question here. You ever have parents or siblings act like cunts? Did you ever call them cunts? How about people you're not fond of? Do you call them by name or call them like you see them?Because if you don't? You're a hypocrite. Taking a wild guess here, even if you bumped into the person you hated the most as a kid today, you wouldn't call them by any of the names you gave them in your head as a kid. You might call them an asshole. But only once. But you wouldn't continue calling it like you see it. If so, then why so selective in your choice of words, or in this case, not selective in your choice?I mean if we're going to discard the "trivial details" then why not do it for everybody?Oh but that's right.Walking up to your mother and calling her a bitch when she's being one or is one would probably result inA) Getting your shit slappedB) Getting into a big fucking argument with familyWhich means that all your talk here likely can't be backed up in person because everybody has a family member who's been an asshole or a bitch.If I'm wrong, then you know what?You'd be fantastic at parties.I don't see how someone I dislike or acting like an asshole has anything to do with calling someone "he", "she", or "cunt". Nor do I see hypocrisy.Because you're calling trans folks like you "see" them. You see a dick on a woman then you call that person a dude because you see a dick.So why the fuck not drop the trivial details and fucking call everything like you see it? Why make it so exlusive? Why bother beating around the bush like this and just fucking call shit like you see it? I mean if you're so open about calling a trans person the way you see them, why not walk up to that asshole boss of yours and tell it like it is through your eyes?Calling my boss an asshole is irrelevant to me calling a dude with a dick, a dude. I identify as an M1A1 Abrams Main Battle tank, I demand you all call me by how I identify. If not I will get offended and make a huge deal out of it because MUH FEELINGZ Plus, I already stated I'm not seeking to offend, it's whether or not they choose to offended by something so trivial. Your argument is exaggerated and irrelevant.
What's your beef with the transgender crowd?
