But Greece shouldn't have been allowed due to its economy. It's one thing for a country to have recessions and bad times, and quite another to have a weak economy with an extremely corrupt government.
I seriously can't believe how you want to live in Europe when you live in America, but that's another subject. I mean the money tou can make in America and the life style, the people, everything. There's no place like America. You really should think long and hard before you move to a part of the world that is facing serious economic trouble and the possibility of the EU dying a slow and painful death.
The Euro should be scrapped altogether, that's my point.
I'm not saying the EU isn't extremely corrupt, because it is.
Fuck Germany.
I think you're too biased because of your family.
I mean the money tou can make in America
life style
people
everything
There's no place like America.
You really should think long and hard before you move to a part of the world that is facing serious economic trouble and the possibility of the EU dying a slow and painful death.
I really hope that Greece stays in the EU and Eurozone because they are literally helpless without them.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:38:22 PMI really hope that Greece stays in the EU and Eurozone because they are literally helpless without them.YouTube
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 08, 2015, 07:52:19 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:38:22 PMI really hope that Greece stays in the EU and Eurozone because they are literally helpless without them.YouTubeOkay, you tell me how Greece would benefit without them.Nobody here has stated even once how Greece would do any better without the EU.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 07:58:50 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 08, 2015, 07:52:19 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:38:22 PMI really hope that Greece stays in the EU and Eurozone because they are literally helpless without them.YouTubeOkay, you tell me how Greece would benefit without them.Nobody here has stated even once how Greece would do any better without the EU.Apologies. I thought you were referring to how the EU couldn't survive without Greece.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 05:17:43 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 08, 2015, 05:10:39 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:47:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 08, 2015, 04:46:23 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:43:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 08, 2015, 04:41:20 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:38:22 PMI really hope that Greece stays in the EU and Eurozone because they are literally helpless without them.Okay. Greece can go with Russia, since they're such a great nation to be associated with right now.Or Turkey, since Turkey would absolutely *love* to help Greece.The EU is really the only local, reliable friend that Greece has. Them leaving the EU would be a catastrophe. And it'd screw me out of living in any other EU country. <____________< (I'm not biased)The Euro ruined the Mediterranean countries in the EU.Hardly. Greece has had financial problems since the end of wwII. Their problems go a lot deeper than the EU. In fact, Greece has been more prosperous under the EU than it has at any period of time before. They used to literally be like a 3rd-world country, and now they're 1st world.Which is why all the Mediterranean countries in the Eurozone are doing fucking terrible and can't afford the cost of living?If you think they're doing terrible now, you should have seen how they were doing before the EU and Eurozone. Which was far, far worse. It's probably better right now, during all of these recessions/unemployment than it would have been had they not joined the EU to begin with. And let's say nothing about how they were doing before this financial crisis.Greece hasn't been a great country for a long time. But the point is the EU and the Euro make life in Mediterranean countries considerably worse.QuoteAlso, the EU/Eurozone had literally nothing to do with these countries going into crisis. What caused it was the pre-existing culture of corruption and tax evasion, so the Governments were spending money that they didn't have. Claiming that EU countries would be better off without the EU is pure populist bullshit.And the Euro made everything astronomically worse. QuoteLike, compare the Mediterranean countries in the EU, with the Mediterranean countries not in the EU, and you'll notice that the living standards in the EU countries are a great deal higher.But I'm talking about 1st world Mediterranean countries. Spain, Italy, France. People can barely afford rent because of the Euro.
Quote from: challengerX on April 08, 2015, 05:10:39 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:47:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 08, 2015, 04:46:23 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:43:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 08, 2015, 04:41:20 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:38:22 PMI really hope that Greece stays in the EU and Eurozone because they are literally helpless without them.Okay. Greece can go with Russia, since they're such a great nation to be associated with right now.Or Turkey, since Turkey would absolutely *love* to help Greece.The EU is really the only local, reliable friend that Greece has. Them leaving the EU would be a catastrophe. And it'd screw me out of living in any other EU country. <____________< (I'm not biased)The Euro ruined the Mediterranean countries in the EU.Hardly. Greece has had financial problems since the end of wwII. Their problems go a lot deeper than the EU. In fact, Greece has been more prosperous under the EU than it has at any period of time before. They used to literally be like a 3rd-world country, and now they're 1st world.Which is why all the Mediterranean countries in the Eurozone are doing fucking terrible and can't afford the cost of living?If you think they're doing terrible now, you should have seen how they were doing before the EU and Eurozone. Which was far, far worse. It's probably better right now, during all of these recessions/unemployment than it would have been had they not joined the EU to begin with. And let's say nothing about how they were doing before this financial crisis.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:47:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 08, 2015, 04:46:23 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:43:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 08, 2015, 04:41:20 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:38:22 PMI really hope that Greece stays in the EU and Eurozone because they are literally helpless without them.Okay. Greece can go with Russia, since they're such a great nation to be associated with right now.Or Turkey, since Turkey would absolutely *love* to help Greece.The EU is really the only local, reliable friend that Greece has. Them leaving the EU would be a catastrophe. And it'd screw me out of living in any other EU country. <____________< (I'm not biased)The Euro ruined the Mediterranean countries in the EU.Hardly. Greece has had financial problems since the end of wwII. Their problems go a lot deeper than the EU. In fact, Greece has been more prosperous under the EU than it has at any period of time before. They used to literally be like a 3rd-world country, and now they're 1st world.Which is why all the Mediterranean countries in the Eurozone are doing fucking terrible and can't afford the cost of living?
Quote from: challengerX on April 08, 2015, 04:46:23 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:43:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 08, 2015, 04:41:20 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:38:22 PMI really hope that Greece stays in the EU and Eurozone because they are literally helpless without them.Okay. Greece can go with Russia, since they're such a great nation to be associated with right now.Or Turkey, since Turkey would absolutely *love* to help Greece.The EU is really the only local, reliable friend that Greece has. Them leaving the EU would be a catastrophe. And it'd screw me out of living in any other EU country. <____________< (I'm not biased)The Euro ruined the Mediterranean countries in the EU.Hardly. Greece has had financial problems since the end of wwII. Their problems go a lot deeper than the EU. In fact, Greece has been more prosperous under the EU than it has at any period of time before. They used to literally be like a 3rd-world country, and now they're 1st world.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:43:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 08, 2015, 04:41:20 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:38:22 PMI really hope that Greece stays in the EU and Eurozone because they are literally helpless without them.Okay. Greece can go with Russia, since they're such a great nation to be associated with right now.Or Turkey, since Turkey would absolutely *love* to help Greece.The EU is really the only local, reliable friend that Greece has. Them leaving the EU would be a catastrophe. And it'd screw me out of living in any other EU country. <____________< (I'm not biased)The Euro ruined the Mediterranean countries in the EU.
Quote from: challengerX on April 08, 2015, 04:41:20 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:38:22 PMI really hope that Greece stays in the EU and Eurozone because they are literally helpless without them.Okay. Greece can go with Russia, since they're such a great nation to be associated with right now.Or Turkey, since Turkey would absolutely *love* to help Greece.The EU is really the only local, reliable friend that Greece has. Them leaving the EU would be a catastrophe. And it'd screw me out of living in any other EU country. <____________< (I'm not biased)
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 08, 2015, 04:38:22 PMI really hope that Greece stays in the EU and Eurozone because they are literally helpless without them.
Also, the EU/Eurozone had literally nothing to do with these countries going into crisis. What caused it was the pre-existing culture of corruption and tax evasion, so the Governments were spending money that they didn't have. Claiming that EU countries would be better off without the EU is pure populist bullshit.
Like, compare the Mediterranean countries in the EU, with the Mediterranean countries not in the EU, and you'll notice that the living standards in the EU countries are a great deal higher.
In fact, Greece has been more prosperous under the EU than it has at any period of time before.
I really have no idea why people are blaming the EU for this crisis.
True. But having lived in Europe, Africa, and now London, it's only reinforced me wanting to go back home.
And I'd rather be poor there than rich anywhere else.
The cost of living is really high, but if you're making over 200,000 and you're struggling to get by I don't know what to tell you. Maybe your family isn't handling the money as well as you think they are, or you live in a rich area and you have a lot of expenses.
It's exactly the same here in Europe. That'll never change pretty much anywhere you go.
I can't relate to anybody outside of America part from two people.
Ok. I'm telling you right now you're making a mistake but you'll have to go through this yourself to understand.
What is it you want?It's not that Europe is bad, I just don't like it. Especially the way I've been forced to experience it.
But you don't. And you think universal things that you dislike will somehow change by moving to Europe. Doesn't make sense.
No, you're not. But I can tell about the way you talk that you think the grass is much greener on the other side. I'm just telling you it's pretty god damn brown.
America is the best country in the world.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 09, 2015, 04:27:10 PMI'm not getting why you don't want me to leave the US so badly. Everyone else I know thinks that what I'm doing is a good idea except for you.Maybe because I know better. Or maybe I'm wrong and you'll be happier in Europe. But I highly doubt it. The only thing in Europe that's actually different is Spain. It's so fucking laidback you can't believe it. But while that's nice, at the same time that's what makes it a shithole. America is the best country in the world. It has everything. Leaving just doesn't make any sense to me.
I'm not getting why you don't want me to leave the US so badly. Everyone else I know thinks that what I'm doing is a good idea except for you.
Quote from: challengerX on April 09, 2015, 04:32:40 PMAmerica is the best country in the world.I have to agree with you, really. The US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Britain, Denmark, Norway and Sweden are the best countries on the planet and pretty much in that order.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on April 09, 2015, 04:36:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 09, 2015, 04:32:40 PMAmerica is the best country in the world.I have to agree with you, really. The US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Britain, Denmark, Norway and Sweden are the best countries on the planet and pretty much in that order.100% opinion.There is no best country in the world, since the best country doesn't exist.
Because you don't seem stupid enough to do that. Moving into the collapsing EU, in the capital of the EU empire is a bad move based just on economics. Factor in shitty weather, boring people, shitty food, and not much to do or see and I can't really fathom what attracts you.
I just said. America has it all. And it has the most opportunities.
I don't see how that matters.
We might as well start the countdown...
