Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 09, 2015, 04:43:13 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on April 09, 2015, 04:36:10 PM

Quote from: challengerX on April 09, 2015, 04:32:40 PM

America is the best country in the world.

I have to agree with you, really.

The US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Britain, Denmark, Norway and Sweden are the best countries on the planet and pretty much in that order.

100% opinion.

There is no best country in the world, since the best country doesn't exist.

Not really. There are objective measures of "good" provided you actually have a rational basis for goodness, even if you still have leeway. Like, you might prefer the sun over snow, so you go to Australia over Canada.

What you don't do is go to Afghanistan. Unless your definition of "good" is a war-torn, misogynistic society with high infant mortality rate. But at that point, you're an idiot for defining "good" that way.

You got me! How did you know that my long-term living destination was Syria! Damn!!

What I'm saying is that different people have different basis for goodness, so you'll get the same 50 or so countries being listed as the "best".

So have I, but I still wouldn't go to live in Germany.

Then that's your opinion.

Which will always make you feel like an outsider.

We'll see when I get there.

"Probably" is not a good way to live.

"Definitely not" (being able to relate to people here) is a worse way to live.

See, you're bullshitting yourself. You have no idea how many times I've heard people say this and then a mere 3 months later tell me how they can't wait to get back to the sun.

Okay. I don't really know what to say to this one, since I've never lived for a long period of time in cold weather. But it's not that much colder than here honestly. Like 10-15 degrees in Fahrenheit compared to here.

Its Germany bro. There's nazi shit and museums and beer.

Oh, and sausages.

That's hardly the entire country...

Name a country that has several things better than America.

Uh. Norway, Sweden, and Finland. LOL

That's why I asked you. You said happiness, but it seems like you're just escaping and trying to see if you'll be happier somewhere else.

That's pretty much why I'm doing it. But I really have no reason not to do so.

It's my advice.

Thank you for the input.

No, that's a fact. Sticking with the international crowd in a country like Germany will have you feel like an outsider the whole time.

We'll see once I get there.

But you think things you hate about "Americans" are things Germans or Europeans is general don't have.

No, not really. I'm expecting most Germans or Europeans I meet to be like the Americans I've met.

LOL It's ducking freezing in Germany compared to California.

Depends which part you're in.

I'd love to hear what else they have.

Lidl? LOL

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I said name a country that has things better than America. Don't list countries, list what you perceive to actually be better.

Far less wealth inequality, higher GDP per capita, better education systems. You know. The same generic crap you keep on hearing about Scandinavia.

You don't seem to have a reason to do it.

Because I have the right to find a place I'm actually happy living in?


This debate is honestly starting to become more and more pointless. It's pretty clear that neither of us are going to convince each other of what we think.

Maybe we should continue it on PM?

Wealth equality is a huge problem everywhere.

And since you're out of high school, the colleges in Europe are worse than America. That's a fact.

No, I had no idea wealth inequality existed in Scandinavia. But it's far less of a problem in there than it is here is what I've been saying.

And how is that a fact? I think American colleges are good and that European colleges are also good.

But you're pretty much going "just to see".

Can't be absolutely certain about everything. And there's only one way to find out.

Well it's not a debate, I'm just trying to see why you're so hellbent on leaving the greatest nation on Earth. And so far you don't seem to have a single reason.

Because every time I've been to Europe, I've dreaded having to return to the US. And when I'm in the US, I want to be in Europe again. And it's been like that for a long time.

Not really.

Yes really. The US has the most wealth inequality out of developed Western nations. That's a #confirmed fact.

America is better though.

In your opinion. Which I can understand given your awkward position.

Well, you'll see when you get here.

Exactly.

The point is there's wealth inequality everywhere.

This is a fact I'm aware of.

It's objectively better than most places.

Not gonna even bother disagreeing, since I can agree with that.

Because from my understanding you haven't lived here, just visited. And those are two very different things.

Which is true. And I know. But given how my mom has immigrated to anther country, and how her mom has immigrated to another country, and how my mom's mom's mom has immigrated to another country, I somehow think I'll manage... Especially how two of the people I mentioned are immigrants to African countries.