I didn't say people calling themselves gamergate never accomplished anything, the same way people calling themselves anonymous have accomplished things, it's beside the point

Quote from: Baha on March 01, 2015, 12:28:30 AM

I didn't say people calling themselves gamergate never accomplished anything, the same way people calling themselves anonymous have accomplished things, it's beside the point

If they're accomplishing something then uniting under a single banner would by definition not be 'meaningless'..

gamergate is not united, a shared label alone doesn't automatically grant a movement cohesion

that a large group of people can come together and call themselves anonymous does not grant anonymous a cohesive political position

Quote from: Noire on March 01, 2015, 12:30:20 AM

Quote from: Baha on March 01, 2015, 12:28:30 AM

I didn't say people calling themselves gamergate never accomplished anything, the same way people calling themselves anonymous have accomplished things, it's beside the point

If they're accomplishing something then uniting under a single banner would by definition not be 'meaningless'..

gamergate is not united, a shared label alone doesn't automatically grant a movement cohesion

that a large group of people can come together and call themselves anonymous does not grant anonymous a cohesive political position

ggers do differ and disagree on a number of points, which is a good thing since it encourages discussion. Unlike the anti crowd who you are either with the group think 100% on every topic or they quite literally treat you like a monster.

GG is united by a desire for better more ethical journalistic standards within the gaming industry. That's not a political position because gg isn't united by politics. Considering how that's lasted 6months solid now, and has shown an ability to get any topic they want trending worldwide, I don't think its accurate to say its meaningless.

Its part of a larger discussion going on within the gaming industry atm.

Quote from: Noire on March 01, 2015, 12:45:09 AM

and has shown an ability to get any topic they want trending worldwide

like when you say things like this I don't even really know how to interpret your conception of who 'they' refers to
There is no big room somewhere where the gamergaters unilaterally decide they want to get something trending
What you mean to say is a number of things have trended worldwide flying the gamergate flag

they're a movement in the same way the people everyone calls social justice warriors collectively constitute a movement

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You don't think they're coordinating efforts via 8chan, twitter or the subreddit I linked....maybe?
gg isn't just some ambiguous cloud with no cohesion. There are mass email campaigns going on to advertisers that have cost companies like Gawker over $1mil (according to Gawker themselves)

Not sure where you're getting the idea that its some ambiguous term that doesn't really mean anything. But all evidence points to it being otherwise.

GG is united by a desire for better more ethical journalistic standards within the gaming industry.

why not just all journalism?

Quote from: Noire on March 01, 2015, 12:45:09 AM

GG is united by a desire for better more ethical journalistic standards within the gaming industry.

why not just all journalism?

Its largely extended out since you have places like abc msnbc etc. all posting biased or misinformed articles. The focus is naturally on gaming journalism since that's where this all started, and its a bit more of a doable task.

That's not relevant feedback at all. It's cluttering the discussion with pointless whining. I don't find Meta's dense economic threads particularly interesting, but you don't see me spamming them with "hurr durr this is boring."

Posts like this, this, this, this and countless others do not further a line of discussion and are still perfectly relevant responses to a thread.  Every discussion thread has an implicit call out at the end of "what do you think about this?", and they're simply answering your question.

Back and forths like this on the other hand actually do clutter the discussion but no one gives a fuck nor should they because forums like this exist for the sole purpose of catering to what the users want to post about

tl;dr please don't get offended when some people don't care, and only strawmen say hurr durr

OP asked a question.  If he didn't intend to ask a question at all I'm not sure OP understands how forums work and maybe he should consider getting a blog instead

Quote from: Madman Mordo on March 01, 2015, 01:01:44 PM

Quote from: Baha on March 01, 2015, 01:00:25 PM

OP asked a question.  If he didn't intend to ask a question at all I'm not sure OP understands how forums work and maybe he should consider getting a blog instead

Please elaborate on this elusive question OP asked. I'm really struggling to find it.

"Thoughts?" "What is your opinion?" "How do you feel about this?" etc.  Pick whichever you like

Where in the OP is this stated?

What fucking thread do you even think you're on right now?

Quote from: Madman Mordo on March 01, 2015, 01:03:33 PM

Where in the OP is this stated?

What fucking thread do you even think you're on right now?

This is why I used the word implicit.
If the OP really did not intend to include that implicit question, (which I actually think they did, so I'm not going to fault them for your own argument), then either:
a) They are using this forum as a soapbox and not as a forum for discussion, and they should get a blog.
b) This thread is spam, akin to the people who post stupid lyrics threads in the flood.
But again, I actually don't think this thread is either of those two things, because there is an implied call for users' thoughts.

I'm not even sure what the fuck you're trying to say at this point. You're probably digressing this discussion the most out of all of us.

Well, on one hand, the replies have kept this at the top, but on the other, my posts and others like it have derailed this a bit. It was disrespectful to give such a flippant response, though I do think it's a valid sentiment.

Quote from: Baha on March 01, 2015, 01:45:32 PM

Here's the easy version:

No, the OP doesn't literally have a question written in it.
When you post a discussion thread on a forum, you are implied to be asking the rest of the forum to respond with their opinion on the subject.
"I forgot this was a thing", "I don't care", "Wow what the fuck" and so on are all valid opinions on the subject.
If you did not intend to ask the forum to respond with their opinion, what you are doing is either blogging or spamming, and you should either get a blog or stop spamming, respectively.

You sound really upset about something really unimportant.

I'm not upset.  If it sounds like I'm choosing my words carefully and erring towards sounding formal (which I am), it's to maximize the chance the person I'm talking to will actually understand the position I'm trying to convey.  Refer to Mordo's previous two posts where he doesn't understand the position I'm trying to convey.

There's really no reason to project being upset onto people when they don't post flippantly/casually