As far as I'm aware, depending on what you overdose on, it ain't always pretty. Swelling, vomiting (and the following choking on the vomit), blood clothing, bloating, perspiration, heart attack... are all symptoms that often go along with OD'ing.
Come to think of it... bullets are expensive. Not as expensive as special killing drugs, but expensive. Why don't they just do what the Nazi's did? Bulk up the death-row inmates, then send 'em all in at once to a chamber filling with Zyklon-B.(Serious question)
Quote from: SuperIrish on November 21, 2014, 09:56:35 AMWhy don't they just do what the Nazi's did? The death penalty is inhumane as it is and has no place in the developed world
Why don't they just do what the Nazi's did?
Quote from: Flee on November 21, 2014, 10:06:04 AMQuote from: SuperIrish on November 21, 2014, 09:56:35 AMWhy don't they just do what the Nazi's did? The death penalty is inhumane as it is and has no place in the developed worldSubjectiveWhy should we treat a criminal who has killed and raped multiple people in a gentle manner when they didn't do so to their victims? That's insulting to families of victims right there
Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 12:46:14 PMQuote from: Flee on November 21, 2014, 10:06:04 AMQuote from: SuperIrish on November 21, 2014, 09:56:35 AMWhy don't they just do what the Nazi's did? The death penalty is inhumane as it is and has no place in the developed worldSubjectiveWhy should we treat a criminal who has killed and raped multiple people in a gentle manner when they didn't do so to their victims? That's insulting to families of victims right there Because developed countries are more civilised and shouldn't stoop to a murderers level. Just because emotional families and blood lusting politicians want to see criminals being executed doesn't make it just. It's just petty vengeance.
Quote from: Priscilla on November 21, 2014, 12:51:37 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 12:46:14 PMQuote from: Flee on November 21, 2014, 10:06:04 AMQuote from: SuperIrish on November 21, 2014, 09:56:35 AMWhy don't they just do what the Nazi's did? The death penalty is inhumane as it is and has no place in the developed worldSubjectiveWhy should we treat a criminal who has killed and raped multiple people in a gentle manner when they didn't do so to their victims? That's insulting to families of victims right there Because developed countries are more civilised and shouldn't stoop to a murderers level. Just because emotional families and blood lusting politicians want to see criminals being executed doesn't make it just. It's just petty vengeance.This has nothing to do with being developed. By killing or raping a great number of people, you have ultimately proved that you're an endangerment to society and the government can't risk you escaping to continue these heinous crimes
Why should we treat a criminal who has killed and raped multiple people in a gentle manner when they didn't do so to their victims?
Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 01:00:28 PMQuote from: Priscilla on November 21, 2014, 12:51:37 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 12:46:14 PMQuote from: Flee on November 21, 2014, 10:06:04 AMQuote from: SuperIrish on November 21, 2014, 09:56:35 AMWhy don't they just do what the Nazi's did? The death penalty is inhumane as it is and has no place in the developed worldSubjectiveWhy should we treat a criminal who has killed and raped multiple people in a gentle manner when they didn't do so to their victims? That's insulting to families of victims right there Because developed countries are more civilised and shouldn't stoop to a murderers level. Just because emotional families and blood lusting politicians want to see criminals being executed doesn't make it just. It's just petty vengeance.This has nothing to do with being developed. By killing or raping a great number of people, you have ultimately proved that you're an endangerment to society and the government can't risk you escaping to continue these heinous crimes Which are what high security prisons are for.
Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 12:46:14 PMWhy should we treat a criminal who has killed and raped multiple people in a gentle manner when they didn't do so to their victims? Because the justice system shouldn't be based off punishment. It should be based on restoration and rehabilitation. For those who can't be rehabilitated, I'm sure they have more utility than merely dying.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 21, 2014, 01:03:22 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 12:46:14 PMWhy should we treat a criminal who has killed and raped multiple people in a gentle manner when they didn't do so to their victims? Because the justice system shouldn't be based off punishment. It should be based on restoration and rehabilitation. For those who can't be rehabilitated, I'm sure they have more utility than merely dying.It should be based off punishment
Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 01:09:44 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on November 21, 2014, 01:03:22 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 12:46:14 PMWhy should we treat a criminal who has killed and raped multiple people in a gentle manner when they didn't do so to their victims? Because the justice system shouldn't be based off punishment. It should be based on restoration and rehabilitation. For those who can't be rehabilitated, I'm sure they have more utility than merely dying.It should be based off punishmentI don't see that as a tenable position in any way whatsoever. Despite the philosophical issue with retributive justice needing free will as a foundation (when free will, to anybody willing to meaningfully engage with the idea, doesn't exist) there's simply no good reason why basing an ethical code on punishment is beneficial.
Like it or not, people out there are and want to be career criminals and nothing can be done to make them stop aside from keeping them locked up till they die basically
Recidivism rate is above 60%, meaning people commit crimes again or commit crimes after seeing a professional
To be fair, punishment is and will always be a part of the criminal sanctioning procedure. It should never be the main reason, but retribution or at least the feeling of justice being done is a part of the mourning/moving on process of many victims.
Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 01:19:38 PMLike it or not, people out there are and want to be career criminals and nothing can be done to make them stop aside from keeping them locked up till they die basicallyWell, y'see, that would only work if the U.S.'s justice system had a properly rehabilitative facet. Which, to anybody paying even the tiniest bit of attention, it just invariably does fucking not.
Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 01:19:38 PMRecidivism rate is above 60%, meaning people commit crimes again or commit crimes after seeing a professional...Maybe that's because the American judicial system does not stress rehabilitation, instead focusing on punishment?I know here in New York, Cuomo signed legislation that would allow those in jail to take collegiate courses for a low price so that, when they do get out, they can actually be functioning members of society. This should be a practice for the system in general.
Except no matter what you do, you can't force a person to stop being a career criminal. As I pointed out the recidivism rate, around 40% of people stop committing crime because they don't want to go back to jail or realize it's not worth it
Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 01:33:13 PMExcept no matter what you do, you can't force a person to stop being a career criminal. As I pointed out the recidivism rate, around 40% of people stop committing crime because they don't want to go back to jail or realize it's not worth itYou're confusing causation. Recidivism - or career criminalism - is high precisely because of the retributive focus of the justice system which results in institutionalisation, as well as dismissal of the shocking amount of prisoners who are mentally ill. Like with the immigration argument, there's no mathematical necessity that 60pc of criminals are career criminals - that only exists in the shitty paradigm which perpetuates this behaviour through its restrictiveness.
Quote from: SuperIrish on November 21, 2014, 09:56:35 AMWhy don't they just do what the Nazi's did? Because we as a society are looking to progress, not regress. The death penalty is inhumane as it is and has no place in the developed world. That debate aside, however, suffocating and gassing people to death is blatantly cruel and unnecessarily painful. It should not even be considered.
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