Unofficial Brexit Thread

- David Cameron has again confirmed that he intends to stay on as prime minister even if the country votes Leave.

The Tories are the party of regicide. It'll be interesting to see if he lasts.

Also, if you haven't already, can you watch this:

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I haven't yet seen it myself, but the Spectator is a relatively respected conservative publication. I think the audience is pro-Leave by the end, but I want to know your thoughts all the same.

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From Andrew Neil's twitter feed:

Head of German Industry: post-Brexit trade barriers would be "very, very foolish"; urges "trade regime to maintain levels of trade we have".

Just read up last night that if England decides to leave the EU, Scotland threatened to call another vote for their Independence because they want to stay. Along with the rest of the UK wanting to stay.

And it might actually work this time since it's not just "FREEEEEEEDOM" anymore, but more so "They kicked us out of what we all wanted. Do you still want to be a part of that?"
 Just read up last night that if England decides to leave the EU, Scotland threatened to call another vote for their Independence because they want to stay. Along with the rest of the UK wanting to stay.

And it might actually work this time since it's not just "FREEEEEEEDOM" anymore, but more so "They kicked us out of what we all wanted. Do you still want to be a part of that?"

So there is a much higher chance that if England leaves the EU, the UK will split off as a result. Guess we'll find out if England wants their "freedum" come tomorrow.

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Just read up last night that if England decides to leave the EU, Scotland threatened to call another vote for their Independence because they want to stay. Along with the rest of the UK wanting to stay.

And it might actually work this time since it's not just "FREEEEEEEDOM" anymore, but more so "They kicked us out of what we all wanted. Do you still want to be a part of that?"
 Just read up last night that if England decides to leave the EU, Scotland threatened to call another vote for their Independence because they want to stay. Along with the rest of the UK wanting to stay.

And it might actually work this time since it's not just "FREEEEEEEDOM" anymore, but more so "They kicked us out of what we all wanted. Do you still want to be a part of that?"

So there is a much higher chance that if England leaves the EU, the UK will split off as a result. Guess we'll find out if England wants their "freedum" come tomorrow.

Similar concerns exist for Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK but still on the Irish island. The Irish generally favor Remain a lot more than the British, so this could cause some issues too.

The Spanish wouldn't be very enamoured with the idea of Scotland having another referendum and then joining the EU; it spells doom for them and Catalonia.

Also, good luck in your thesis defence tomorrow.

If all goes well you'll have a degree and I'll be able to sing the national anthem proudly while Nige marches all the foreigners off the white cliffs of Dover.

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You guys should just become another unincorporated territory of America, like Puerto Rico.

Some input from that guy I like, hbomberguy.

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He doesn't take actually take a stance, but it's just more food on the table.

Just read up last night that if England decides to leave the EU, Scotland threatened to call another vote for their Independence because they want to stay. Along with the rest of the UK wanting to stay.

And it might actually work this time since it's not just "FREEEEEEEDOM" anymore, but more so "They kicked us out of what we all wanted. Do you still want to be a part of that?"
 Just read up last night that if England decides to leave the EU, Scotland threatened to call another vote for their Independence because they want to stay. Along with the rest of the UK wanting to stay.

And it might actually work this time since it's not just "FREEEEEEEDOM" anymore, but more so "They kicked us out of what we all wanted. Do you still want to be a part of that?"

So there is a much higher chance that if England leaves the EU, the UK will split off as a result. Guess we'll find out if England wants their "freedum" come tomorrow.

It's not all so black and white in which England wants to leave and Scotland wants to stay. Plenty of counties down south want to stay, and make sure people know. It also wouldn't be as simple as they can just leave since there's a lot of tax and money owed beforehand, they won't be able to go without addressing that.

Chances are we're staying anyway since it's very neck and neck, and only people who want to leave are the most vocal.

Some input from that guy I like, hbomberguy.

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He doesn't take actually take a stance, but it's just more food on the table.

Just makes me hate Boris even more.

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Chances are we're staying anyway since it's very neck and neck, and only people who want to leave are the most vocal.

Depending on voter turnout, it's going to be very strange for the government to abandon the status quo without a convincing majority wanting it.

Let's just hope people have brains tomorrow.

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Chances are we're staying anyway since it's very neck and neck, and only people who want to leave are the most vocal.

Depending on voter turnout, it's going to be very strange for the government to abandon the status quo without a convincing majority wanting it.

Let's just hope people have brains tomorrow.

What are you voting?

Voting?

I'm slipping an anime reaction face on mine

Some input from that guy I like, hbomberguy.

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He doesn't take actually take a stance, but it's just more food on the table.

I'm not defending the claims of the Leave campaign, because both campaigns have been run awfully, but there are a few things to pull the guy up on:

- The way he presents that headline about Brexit potentially costing 6pc of rGDP is misleading; it makes you think it will lead to a snap recession. Looking at the EIU's report, they make it clear that by 2020 (when the economy will have stabilised, according to the EIU) rGDP would be six percent below baseline trend. 6pc of output isn't going to just be wiped from the British economy. Unemployment will also peak at 6pc, which is 0.6pc above what it currently is now.

- Eh, he's kind of misrepresenting the "red tape" argument, not that the Leavers put it all that well to begin with. Problems with European regulation mainly come from labour law, and similarly the Union is also notoriously bad with its budget which was classed as unsound for a number of years and still hasn't brought unaccounted expenditures down to within an acceptable margin of the overall budget.

- There's a very misleading part where he's talking about how countries have to spend the same amount as a membership fees on tariffs while highlighting the fact that they still have to accept free movement of people. This is not true; countries in the free movement area are part of the Common Market, pay membership fees and do not have to pay tariffs.

- He's kind of making his case in a way that suggests trade is just going to dry up after we leave the Union. This is a fiction, especially with TTIP on the way. Not to mention, trade external to the EU has grown a lot faster than within-EU trade, to the point where exports from one EU country to another fell from 68pc to ~63pc over the past decade, and for the UK specifically the amount we export to the EU has declined from 55pc to 45pc. Trade statistics with the EU are also inflated due to the Antwerp-Rotterdam Effect, whereby British exports stop at (the eponymous Dutch) ports before moving on to other areas of the world.

- His point about them missing the Recession is kind of somewhat unfair. Recessions are policy mistakes; if you could see it coming, it wouldn't happen. Equally, the economists responsible for monetary policy and advising fiscal policy in both America and Europe fucked up, big-time. The British fucked up, too, but not as badly.

- The point about them being in the Bullingdon Club is a very cheap shot.

This don's funny though, I'll give him that.

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--I don't know, Chally.

I'm still thinking, kind of hard when both campaigns are literally terrible

Really hoping you guys vote against the NWO tomorow. Get out of the Union before you're suckered in to the one world government and a European Army come 2020.

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--I don't know, Chally.

I'm still thinking, kind of hard when both campaigns are literally terrible

What are you leaning towards?

Right now? Stay.

Later on/last week? Leave.

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Vote leave, Brits. Save Europe once again.

libbies dropped this to my door whilst talking about how numbers of the gdp will be slashed off as will 3 million jobs. apparently no europol means less we have less security too? (brussels?)

the thing is for me that while I know the economy can grow, and jobs can be created after leaving I don't know how to justify it in the short term for those that will be hit by leaving.

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--I don't know, Chally.

I'm still thinking, kind of hard when both campaigns are literally terrible

What are you leaning towards?

Right now? Stay.

Later on/last week? Leave.

Reasons why?

I just see benefits from both sides, like you said

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