Amendment XI: "The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State."so, we cant sue our own states, and dem damn foreigners cant sue our states, but... we can sue their states? lol. stop giving corporations so much fucking power.
It's yet another disgusting 'trade deal' being sharted out of the USA. Hopefully it goes down the drain with the rest of it's countless cousins.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 28, 2015, 08:01:26 PMIt's yet another disgusting 'trade deal' being sharted out of the USA. Hopefully it goes down the drain with the rest of it's countless cousins.Oh, its countless cousins have been killed as well?What were their names? Maybe there's a chance that this will fail outright still.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 28, 2015, 08:03:32 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on April 28, 2015, 08:01:26 PMIt's yet another disgusting 'trade deal' being sharted out of the USA. Hopefully it goes down the drain with the rest of it's countless cousins.Oh, its countless cousins have been killed as well?What were their names? Maybe there's a chance that this will fail outright still.ACTA PIPA SOPA etc, it's the same kind of bollocks even if the individual acts/bills/agreements vary somewhat. Just another four letter way to shaft the consumer.
and should be without prejudice to the right of the EU and the Member States to adopt and enforce, in accordance with their respective competences, measures necessary to pursue legitimate public policy objectives such as social, environmental, security, stability of the financial system, public health and safety in a non-discriminatory manner
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 28, 2015, 08:01:26 PMIt's yet another disgusting 'trade deal' being sharted out of the USA. Hopefully it goes down the drain with the rest of it's countless cousins.Most of the hype against TTIP is just trumped-up bullshit on the part of the media. The media loves to reduce the ISDS functions down to "suing for lost future profits", but that really is a mischaracterisation. Even the case with Phillip Morris in Australia--usually held up as the poster-boy for everything that's wrong with ISDS--has some legitimacy. PM aren't suing the Australian government over "lost profits" due to plain cigarette packages, they're suing because the government expropriated their intellectual property without compensation. And even if you're still against PM and their instance (I'm undecided, myself) most instances of ISDS are nowhere near as egregious or controversial. A large majority of successful cases are when governments disfavour foreign companies; like when Ethyl Corp sued the Canadian government for banning an additive that only they used. Ethyl Corp claimed the government had banned the additive on political, instead of scientific or public-interest grounds. On the face of it, it looks like Ethyl Corp is acting against the public interest and is simply acting for the sake of its own wallet. However, Ethyl Corp ended up presenting the government's own documents from just a year prior which clearly stated that there was zero risk presented by the additive Ethyl Corp had been using, and the party trying to push through the legislation had close ties with Ethyl Corp's domestic competitors. And, as with all ISDS cases, it was played out in the media as some fat-cat company suing the government over health and environmental legislation. Nonetheless, the formulators of TTIP have recognised some of the faults in the Phillip Morris case and the TTP and added this: Quoteand should be without prejudice to the right of the EU and the Member States to adopt and enforce, in accordance with their respective competences, measures necessary to pursue legitimate public policy objectives such as social, environmental, security, stability of the financial system, public health and safety in a non-discriminatory mannerISDS cases are never as one-sided as they're made out to be.
but if it's more along the lines of the plain packaging forced the removal of their branding so they lose out on sales... eh I'd struggle to sympathise one bit with that.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 29, 2015, 04:36:13 PMbut if it's more along the lines of the plain packaging forced the removal of their branding so they lose out on sales... eh I'd struggle to sympathise one bit with that.That's one of the reasons it's such a controversial case.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on April 29, 2015, 04:38:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on April 29, 2015, 04:36:13 PMbut if it's more along the lines of the plain packaging forced the removal of their branding so they lose out on sales... eh I'd struggle to sympathise one bit with that.That's one of the reasons it's such a controversial case.Well then, I'd say fetch the bus and the rope <_<
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 29, 2015, 04:41:35 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on April 29, 2015, 04:38:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on April 29, 2015, 04:36:13 PMbut if it's more along the lines of the plain packaging forced the removal of their branding so they lose out on sales... eh I'd struggle to sympathise one bit with that.That's one of the reasons it's such a controversial case.Well then, I'd say fetch the bus and the rope <_<Do my survey you bitch.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on April 29, 2015, 04:48:41 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on April 29, 2015, 04:41:35 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on April 29, 2015, 04:38:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on April 29, 2015, 04:36:13 PMbut if it's more along the lines of the plain packaging forced the removal of their branding so they lose out on sales... eh I'd struggle to sympathise one bit with that.That's one of the reasons it's such a controversial case.Well then, I'd say fetch the bus and the rope <_<Do my survey you bitch.Where is it? >.>
interesting that this transatlantic deal comes alongside a pacific rim dealhttp://www.npr.org/2015/04/29/403094326/japans-abe-pushes-the-pacific-trade-deal-onto-center-stage
TTIP is literal cancer
