Trump vs Hillary, Presidential Debate 2016. HERE WE GO LADS.

Flee · September 27, 2016, 08:10:39 AM

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big dog · September 27, 2016, 09:04:05 AM

hello darkness my old friend

challengerX · September 27, 2016, 09:40:44 AM

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ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · September 27, 2016, 09:57:02 AM

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Luciana · September 27, 2016, 10:00:22 AM

Quote from: Pippen on September 27, 2016, 07:17:38 AM

and was coherent.

That's impossible for him to do without a teleprompter.

Mordo · September 27, 2016, 10:01:32 AM

Trump had so many opportunities to nail Clinton to the wall but just blithely ignored them by going on about his vague achievements and endorsements. Meh debate 3bh.

Luciana · September 27, 2016, 10:11:39 AM

Quote from: Flee on September 27, 2016, 02:46:19 AM

These instant polls are little more than a survey of which candidate has the most vocal and internet savvy fans. And that's Trump, who has a monumental social media following and reddit-tier fanbase dominating much of the internet. But in the end, while they can easily flood polls like these and skew online results, they only account for a fraction of the votes.

I feel like this can't be emphasized enough.

Flee · September 27, 2016, 10:12:41 AM

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Turkey · September 27, 2016, 10:22:26 AM

Who even gives a fuck about who "won" the debate? Both failed to coherently argue details of their policies, at best simply repeating the same bullet points we can read on their websites, and at worst resorting to schoolyard insults and bullying. They both come off as incompetent, arrogant, in denial of their faults, and without substance. Neither are policy experts, philosophers, or true representatives of the people. They're both failures in their individual fields despite going far, and they both piggybacked off others to get where they are. They're both old and out of touch; Hillary thinks cyberwarfare is the biggest military threat she'll face in office, and Trump thinks he knows how to tackle it because his ten year old son has a computer. Debates are meaningless exhibitions, giving candidates barely enough time to deliver an opening argument about a policy before completely changing subjects. They're debates in name alone, only slightly removed from reality television, and yet are considered the most important moments of an election. This election is already fucked, but Americans owe it to themselves to use the next four years to think long and hard about what democracy should mean going forward.

Flee · September 27, 2016, 10:30:37 AM

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Alternative Facts · September 27, 2016, 10:47:13 AM

Quote from: MeanBird on September 27, 2016, 10:22:26 AM

Who even gives a fuck about who "won" the debate? Both failed to coherently argue details of their policies, at best simply repeating the same bullet points we can read on their websites, and at worst resorting to schoolyard insults and bullying.

They shouldn't be debating policy anyway.

Turkey · September 27, 2016, 10:50:09 AM

Quote from: Icy on September 27, 2016, 10:47:13 AM

Quote from: MeanBird on September 27, 2016, 10:22:26 AM
Who even gives a fuck about who "won" the debate? Both failed to coherently argue details of their policies, at best simply repeating the same bullet points we can read on their websites, and at worst resorting to schoolyard insults and bullying.

They shouldn't be debating policy anyway.

Can you clarify what you mean? Arguing their platforms and proposed policies should be the primary purpose of a debate. Historically, presidential debates were day-long events wherein candidates are given over an hour to respond to questions and explain the complexities of their policies.

Alternative Facts · September 27, 2016, 10:57:58 AM

Quote from: MeanBird on September 27, 2016, 10:50:09 AM

Quote from: Icy on September 27, 2016, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: MeanBird on September 27, 2016, 10:22:26 AM
Who even gives a fuck about who "won" the debate? Both failed to coherently argue details of their policies, at best simply repeating the same bullet points we can read on their websites, and at worst resorting to schoolyard insults and bullying.

They shouldn't be debating policy anyway.

Can you clarify what you mean?

I mean that Presidential candidates shouldn't be debating policy, because they (arguably) have the least say in the creation of policy. Hell, I'd argue that SCOTUS's role is almost more direct.

If they want to discuss implementation of a policy, fine. But these details of what their policies would say and create - none of that matters because Congress isn't going to agree to 99.9% of what's been proposed.

The American electorate and government put way too much stake in the hands of the President, to the point of forgetting the basics of how our government runs. The President doesn't make our laws and policy - Trump's tax plan could be the greatest in US history, and it wouldn't matter.

Turkey · September 27, 2016, 11:01:14 AM

Quote from: Icy on September 27, 2016, 10:57:58 AM

Quote from: MeanBird on September 27, 2016, 10:50:09 AM
Quote from: Icy on September 27, 2016, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: MeanBird on September 27, 2016, 10:22:26 AM
Who even gives a fuck about who "won" the debate? Both failed to coherently argue details of their policies, at best simply repeating the same bullet points we can read on their websites, and at worst resorting to schoolyard insults and bullying.

They shouldn't be debating policy anyway.

Can you clarify what you mean?

I mean that Presidential candidates shouldn't be debating policy, because they (arguably) have the least say in the creation of policy. Hell, I'd argue that SCOTUS's role is almost more direct.

If they want to discuss implementation of a policy, fine. But these details of what their policies would say and create - none of that matters because Congress isn't going to agree to 99.9% of what's been proposed.

Congressional lawmaking and a president's policies are distinct, though. Their policies encapsulate everything they intend to do in office; not debating those would leave very little to discuss.

Alternative Facts · September 27, 2016, 11:04:30 AM

Quote from: MeanBird on September 27, 2016, 11:01:14 AM

Quote from: Icy on September 27, 2016, 10:57:58 AM
Quote from: MeanBird on September 27, 2016, 10:50:09 AM
Quote from: Icy on September 27, 2016, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: MeanBird on September 27, 2016, 10:22:26 AM
Who even gives a fuck about who "won" the debate? Both failed to coherently argue details of their policies, at best simply repeating the same bullet points we can read on their websites, and at worst resorting to schoolyard insults and bullying.

They shouldn't be debating policy anyway.

Can you clarify what you mean?

I mean that Presidential candidates shouldn't be debating policy, because they (arguably) have the least say in the creation of policy. Hell, I'd argue that SCOTUS's role is almost more direct.

If they want to discuss implementation of a policy, fine. But these details of what their policies would say and create - none of that matters because Congress isn't going to agree to 99.9% of what's been proposed.

Congressional lawmaking and a president's policies are distinct, though. Their policies encapsulate everything they intend to do in office; not debating those would leave very little to discuss.

They aren't really that distinct though - everything that Clinton and Trump discussed (and didn't discuss) policy wise would require working with Congress at some point. And at the current rate, Congress is going to be split down the middle for the next 2-4 years.

If anything, a debate between Presidential candidates should focus on international relations, military issues, and details on how the President would alter current policies already in place. Not focusing on a tax plan that is already dead in the water.

Genghis Khan · September 27, 2016, 12:20:08 PM

Hillary will have no chance to win the election.

Verbatim · September 27, 2016, 01:02:30 PM

Quote from: Karjala takaisin on September 27, 2016, 12:20:08 PM

Hillary will have no chance to win the election.

Screencapped.

Gatortag · September 27, 2016, 01:49:11 PM

They're both shit, we get fucked either way. Who cares?

Turkey · September 27, 2016, 01:55:14 PM

Tbh this should be a wake-up call to go research your federal and state reps and vote wisely in November.

Gatortag · September 27, 2016, 01:57:25 PM

Quote from: MeanBird on September 27, 2016, 01:55:14 PM

Tbh this should be a wake-up call to go research your federal and state reps and vote wisely in November.

As if a vote for Trump or Hilary even matters.

Alternative Facts · September 27, 2016, 02:00:30 PM

Quote from: MeanBird on September 27, 2016, 01:55:14 PM

Tbh this should be a wake-up call to go research your federal and state reps and vote wisely in November.

Especially if you are in Nevada, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Missouri, North Carolina, New Hampshire, or Pennsylvania.

Pippen · September 27, 2016, 02:11:39 PM

Quote from: Icy on September 27, 2016, 02:00:30 PM

Illinois

Mark Kirk or Tammy Duckworth...

uuuuugh

PSU · September 27, 2016, 02:17:20 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 27, 2016, 01:02:30 PM

Quote from: Karjala takaisin on September 27, 2016, 12:20:08 PM
Hillary will have no chance to win the election.
Screencapped.

Cap this too.

If Hillary wins and actually lives to serve in 2017, I'll quit my job and move to Alaska.

Alternative Facts · September 27, 2016, 02:21:08 PM

Quote from: Pippen on September 27, 2016, 02:11:39 PM

Quote from: Icy on September 27, 2016, 02:00:30 PM
Illinois

Mark Kirk or Tammy Duckworth...

uuuuugh

Duckworth is the only acceptable option

Luciana · September 27, 2016, 02:31:22 PM

Quote from: PSU on September 27, 2016, 02:17:20 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 27, 2016, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: Karjala takaisin on September 27, 2016, 12:20:08 PM
Hillary will have no chance to win the election.
Screencapped.

Cap this too.

If Hillary wins and actually lives to serve in 2017, I'll quit my job and move to Alaska.

Why Alaska? Wasn't it Canada the first time?

PSU · September 27, 2016, 02:32:45 PM

Quote from: Luciana on September 27, 2016, 02:31:22 PM

Quote from: PSU on September 27, 2016, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on September 27, 2016, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: Karjala takaisin on September 27, 2016, 12:20:08 PM
Hillary will have no chance to win the election.
Screencapped.

Cap this too.

If Hillary wins and actually lives to serve in 2017, I'll quit my job and move to Alaska.
Why Alaska? Wasn't it Canada the first time?

yeah, but fuck canada. I'd still want to be an american citizen.

Luciana · September 27, 2016, 02:35:17 PM

Quote from: PSU on September 27, 2016, 02:32:45 PM

Quote from: Luciana on September 27, 2016, 02:31:22 PM
Quote from: PSU on September 27, 2016, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on September 27, 2016, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: Karjala takaisin on September 27, 2016, 12:20:08 PM
Hillary will have no chance to win the election.
Screencapped.

Cap this too.

If Hillary wins and actually lives to serve in 2017, I'll quit my job and move to Alaska.
Why Alaska? Wasn't it Canada the first time?

yeah, but fuck canada. I'd still want to be an american citizen.

I'm glad you came around.

Alternative Facts · September 27, 2016, 02:38:14 PM

Quote from: PSU on September 27, 2016, 02:32:45 PM

Quote from: Luciana on September 27, 2016, 02:31:22 PM
Quote from: PSU on September 27, 2016, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on September 27, 2016, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: Karjala takaisin on September 27, 2016, 12:20:08 PM
Hillary will have no chance to win the election.
Screencapped.

Cap this too.

If Hillary wins and actually lives to serve in 2017, I'll quit my job and move to Alaska.
Why Alaska? Wasn't it Canada the first time?

yeah, but fuck canada. I'd still want to be an american citizen.

Nah, I think it'd be more enjoyable to see you in Seattle, San Francisco, or some other liberal haven.

Alaska is too easy.

Alternative Facts · September 27, 2016, 03:01:46 PM

Last nights debate was the most watched since Carter v Reagan in 1980.

challengerX · September 27, 2016, 03:22:41 PM

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